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Post by Kalium » Sun Jan 14, 2007 1:27 am

When you build and care for your computer, when you've poured your blood, sweat, and tears into it, you know it more intimately than many would think possible. It goes from just a tool to your partner. Knowing the details of its hardware becomes just a detail.

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Post by SQ » Sun Jan 14, 2007 1:43 am

dxdiag and "system" within Control Panel would also help, for those of us with sucky memory. XP
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Post by Arigatomina » Sun Jan 14, 2007 1:45 am

Streicher wrote:No, I just wondered where all that hardware power in this thread went into. Creating fps maybe? In Oblivion.

Because I really can't see any relevance to AMVs in this thread. It should go into OT at best.
Have you ever edited on a 6gig computer (pre 2000) and then upgraded to a 60gig computer? The "rig" does make a difference. The space alone makes a huge difference on how you edit - Do you have room for multi-anime vids? Do you have to prechoose your clips because of limited space? Then there's the ram, I know jack about ram, but even I notice the difference when you use a computer with a lot of it. Forget editing via avisynth, if you don't have ram you'll probably be lucky if you can edit with uncompressed clips. That doesn't even touch on the programs that just won't run on a really slow computer. You have people complain that their comps aren't fast enough to play an xvid amv without snagging. Imagine if they were trying to run Premiere on that computer.

So...it matters up to a point. There's a "I kill myself to get the most out of my old horse" versus the "I homebred myself a champion racer over here". Most people on this thread probably fall into the middle. The problem with these threads is that they end up being nothing more than a list - no discussion interpretting the info given by each person. It borders on "pointless" rather than "off topic".

...and I think we've *had* threads about cars, sort of. Those "where do you get your inspiration" type threads? Anything that plays music is applicable with those. ;p
Kalium wrote:Knowing the details of its hardware becomes just a detail.
Think it's safe to say a majority of people on the forum built their own computers? Does knowing how to build your own computer make you better at editing amvs? Which comes first, the homemade computer, or the editing hobby? :P

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Post by SQ » Sun Jan 14, 2007 1:55 am

Arigatomina wrote:
Kalium wrote:Knowing the details of its hardware becomes just a detail.
Think it's safe to say a majority of people on the forum built their own computers? Does knowing how to build your own computer make you better at editing amvs? Which comes first, the homemade computer, or the editing hobby? :P
Not sure if this was for just Kalium or an open question, but I'm going to butt in anyway.

COMPOOTAR.

I mean, I built my computer for AMVs, but now the computer comes first. Hell, I refused to edit anything for about a month simply because I didn't have a dual display and Adobe fucked up it's menus in Pro (Such a visual space waste).

In fact, one of the reasons I stopped editing oh so long a go(ontop of time) was because my computer just stopped loading up everything.

I edited directly with VOBs through AVISynth, and it got ot a point where Premiere would just stop rendering shit. I think I had something like a 1 or 1.2GHz processor from AMD. I know i only had 256mb of ram. But back to the no rendering.

Some of my last videos, I had to export them just to see what the cuts looked like, because they would lag so much per frame it was faster to export, look at it, guess where it should go, and then repeat the process.

This was more of a cumulative effect then anything. I think it's because my computer was just so damn old it was losing it's edge, or I was just trying to push the program too hard(probably a little of both).

In fact, it really was a wonder Premiere even worked most of the time, because WMM1(I refused ot upgrade to sp2 back then) would just flat out crash on startup. (Yes, I actually use Premiere in combination with WMM for some crap. Mostly titles, since I never bothered to learn how to do them in 6.)

It probably didn't help that I never didn't use AVIsynth + VOBs, but whatever.

So far I still believe I'm the only one with over a terabyte of space(even if barely, but I was going by the actual 1024 conversion, not the 1000), so space is not, and never has been an issue.

It was always processing power and ram, and now I've got that covered, so I am happy. ^_^
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Post by Orwell » Sun Jan 14, 2007 3:09 am

SQ wrote:So far I still believe I'm the only one with over a terabyte of space(even if barely, but I was going by the actual 1024 conversion, not the 1000), so space is not, and never has been an issue.
The only one to have spoken here anyhow, till now.

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Post by BasharOfTheAges » Sun Jan 14, 2007 3:14 am

Arigatomina wrote:
Kalium wrote:Knowing the details of its hardware becomes just a detail.
Think it's safe to say a majority of people on the forum built their own computers? Does knowing how to build your own computer make you better at editing amvs? Which comes first, the homemade computer, or the editing hobby? :P
Well, I built my system 3 weeks ago and i've been here for 3 years, so...

I actually needed to upgrade to be able to edit better, and with my set up, my current project is still pushing the limits of my system in terms of RAM. Guess 2GB just isn't enough. :?
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Post by Gepetto » Sun Jan 14, 2007 7:25 am

Arigatomina wrote:How do people here just ramble this stuff off? Is it a guy thing? A geek thing? I don't get it.
Isn't it just a question that everyone knows the answer to and for some reason everyone also thinks that their answers mean anything to others? Or a passtime? Or...
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Post by Streicher » Sun Jan 14, 2007 9:20 am

Arigatomina wrote:The space alone makes a huge difference on how you edit - Do you have room for multi-anime vids? Do you have to prechoose your clips because of limited space?
It is common knowledge that plenty of disk space makes editing possible/easier.
Then there's the ram, I know jack about ram, but even I notice the difference when you use a computer with a lot of it. Forget editing via avisynth, if you don't have ram you'll probably be lucky if you can edit with uncompressed clips.
setmemorymax(64) There, quite easy solved, not?
You have people complain that their comps aren't fast enough to play an xvid amv without snagging. Imagine if they were trying to run Premiere on that computer.
It should also be common knowledge that a really ancient computer is not befitted for brand new editing suites (or even operating systems).
When you really have trouble playing back an xvid. Why should you try creating one in the first place?
The problem with these threads is that they end up being nothing more than a list - no discussion interpretting the info given by each person. It borders on "pointless" rather than "off topic".
There is no discussion here because it's just plain obvious that more disk space/RAM/CPU will help. And you don't even need any exact stats:

Strong Computer > Weak Computer.

When a newbie comes onto this thread and sees all those High-End-rigs listed here, he will fall under the false assumption that they are needed to create an AMV. Right now this is just people bragging about their hobby equipment. About the same level as car junkies bragging how expensive their car hi-fi was.
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Post by Prodigi » Sun Jan 14, 2007 11:29 am

Streicher wrote:
You have people complain that their comps aren't fast enough to play an xvid amv without snagging. Imagine if they were trying to run Premiere on that computer.
It should also be common knowledge that a really ancient computer is not befitted for brand new editing suites (or even operating systems).
When you really have trouble playing back an xvid. Why should you try creating one in the first place?
My old computer used to struggle running many xvid files. It was a 348MHz Pentium II, with 512 RAM. On it I could run, simultaneously without too many difficulties, Photopshop 6.0, Premiere 6.0, Skype, AIM, MSN, and Virtual Dub. Despite its crapness, and its failure out playing back many files, I edited 10 AMVs on it, and 2 MEP segments. I'm not saying my videos are fantastic, I am however pointing out the fact that even with my shit equiptment i was able to produce videos with a decent quality of editing (imo). Despite the craptastic equiptment, I never felt limited in what I could and could not day. I found, that if I had the patience (particularly for rendering time), that the machine could do a lot more than most people would have given it the chance to.

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Post by OmniStrata » Sun Jan 14, 2007 12:23 pm

FEAR THE TEMPEST DREAM INFINITY!

Opteron 165 Socket 939 Dual Core [overclocked to 2.71 Ghz from 1.8]
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