Multi-source AMVs [SPLIT]

[Kionon]

Are you a child or what? Read between the lines, that post was making fun of your childness, arrogance, self denial, etc. That was making fun of you in disguise, anyway trying to counter everything instead of ignoring me is not working for you, your just helping derail your own topic. Nice one -_^

It's called an olive branch. Your words were clearly sarcastic references to what you have stated you think I have acted like. I chose to respond as if I had taken it at face-value. For the sake of the thread, I was being diplomatic. I'd rather not see this locked if it yields actual discussion, as it has between Arigatomina and myself.

[Kalium]

For the sake of the thread, I was being diplomatic. I'd rather not see this locked if it yields actual discussion, as it has between Arigatomina and myself.

I'd like it to continue. This thread has been interesting from a purely theoretical standpoint.

[godix]

Only you must get more imaginative. You're starting to be trite and unoriginal.

With my insults? Be glad to.

Your arguments remind me of a an open oozing puss filled flesh wound. No one really wants to see it but it's so disturbing you can't ignore it, it stinks to high heaven, you want to get rid of it as quickly as possible, and the scars it leaves will probably require professional aid to remove. Your logic is atrocious, your arguements are pre-simian, your attitude is idiotic, and you're as wrong as a blind man in a whorehouse who thinks it's a fresh fish store.

There, better now?

[Arigatomina]

Going off on another vein but within topic, assuming we agree to disagree about theme vs. story, what do you feel is necessary for an effective multi-source amv with story coherency? I'm curious to know your views.

Well, first I'd have to say I do agree with anime scenes having importance based on how they fit into the rest of the anime (the story of the original anime). When i said certain scenes have emotional attachments for me, it's because of where they stand in the original anime. As an example, one of my favorite anime scenes is one in YYH where Yukina asks Hiei who he is, and he has the most unguarded expression he ever wears (in 112 episodes, so it's pretty significant). Seeing that scene in a multi-anime video will elicit a very dramatic response from me - sad/sweet/vulnerable/touching. Yes, the original importance of the scene is based on how it fits into the original anime. But I have that same response any time I see that scene - because I've seen the original anime. That's how all my favorite scenes work - if I hadn't seen the anime, they wouldn't have meaning and wouldn't elicit a response regardless of the vid they're mixed into.

With a story, told using multi-anime sources, I actually have trouble seeing the story. I still have my "this scene means this, that scene means that" response to familiar clips. You can tell a story using that scene of Hiei and Yukina, but if your use of the scene doesn't match the meaning I've put on it, the story falls apart. At best, I watch it the way I would read a fanfic - familiar faces in a 'fake' but possibly interesting storyline. I can't separate myself from the meaning I've attached to them (from having watched the original anime), so I'm just playing along when I pretend they fit together to form a story. I may still enjoy the new story, with its mix of different anime characters, but it won't be 'real', not as real as a theme based story that means nothing but what I think it means.

For a multi-anime story video to 'work' for me, it would have to feature anime I've never watched. I can't have any particular meaning attached to the individual scenes. They all must be new, so the only meaning is the one the creator gives them when he tells his story using those clips. Since I haven't watched many anime, it's not hard for creators to tell a sucessful story to me.

On the flip side, a thematic video cannot succeed unless I've seen the anime being used - not necessarily all, but at least a majority (half, at least half). If I don't know the anime, the clips have no meaning, so the video fails to affect me.

At the root it comes down to whether I've seen it, and what meaning (if any) I put on the clips when I watch them mixed together in a video.

[Kionon]

[snippage]
For a multi-anime story video to 'work' for me, it would have to feature anime I've never watched. I can't have any particular meaning attached to the individual scenes. They all must be new, so the only meaning is the one the creator gives them when he tells his story using those clips. Since I haven't watched many anime, it's not hard for creators to tell a sucessful story to me.

On the flip side, a thematic video cannot succeed unless I've seen the anime being used - not necessarily all, but at least a majority (half, at least half). If I don't know the anime, the clips have no meaning, so the video fails to affect me.

At the root it comes down to whether I've seen it, and what meaning (if any) I put on the clips when I watch them mixed together in a video.

This is very interesting, because I am the EXACT opposite. If I watch a multi-source video, even if I've seen the anime, I must see a coherent storyline. Doesn't necessarily have to be the one I'm familiar with (of course not, it's multi-source), but must still contain a storyline of some sort. Tainted Donuts being the best example. It takes two storylines and MERGES them effectively.

On the flip side, a themeatic video does nothing for me even if I've seen the anime used. Why? Because often clips are used for various synchs that are not always be strictly chronological even within a single-source AMV. Without a story tying them together, an emotion is not enough to keep me interested. A multi-source AMV, and you toss chronological relevance right out the window. I spend more time trying to figure out what the hell is going on than I do feeling any particular emotion.

I try not to come to a video with more intertexuality (term for assumptions the viewer comes to an art form with) than I have to. At the worst that means I know the original chronology of the anime or animes the video uses. At the best, I haven't seen the source(s), and I infer only what storyline I think the editor is trying to get across to me.