Should videos using "stolen clips" be banned from

[Arigatomina]

...we've all stolen something, no matter what you say, you're stealing this "shit" and thats not ok, so either way.

Fine.

Forget the definition of plagiarism and let's look at the definition of 'stealing' instead. We're all breaking laws, but that's not the problem. You say we're 'stealing' the same as people who lie and claim to own my or your edits. Okay, let's look at that.

I steal your car. Guess what? You don't have a car - I have your car. How do you steal anime footage from the people who own it? I can't take anime footage from the writer who wrote the series, I can't take it from the person who produced the series, I can't even take it from the blasted dubbers who mutilated the series. At best, I can use it.

So how, by all that is good in the world, can I steal anime footage?

Heck, you can't even *steal* edits from an amv. You can *plagiarise* the video, but you can't steal parts of it. You can misuse them without permission (like we do when we rip dvds), but you can't steal them. Unless you come to my computer and physically take the clips from me. You can copy the video and *plagiarise* the idea - but again, that's not theft.

Intellectual property is plagiarized, not stolen. And we've established by the definition of 'plagiarism' that so long as you admit it does not belong to you, it is not plagiarism.

Apple and orange. Pick one and we can talk about it. There is a difference, even though they're both evil fruit (aka stealing and plagiarism are both evil crimes).

We're out to stop plagiarism - not the misuse of anime footage with proper citation.

[Voices_Of_Ryan]

Alright lemme say one last thing before I quit the moronic thread.

Justifing is NOT ok, saying "hey look at me, i'm taking dvd footage, editing it. BUT GOD FORBID SOMEONE STEAL MY WORK" is just as moronic as saying you made the movie.

Lets face it, you made those edits, big whoop, how many of you have used cuts that might have already been in that movie? Or lip sync but just slapping the clips in place and going "wow that fits".

Whoops.. you just stole that...
HOLY SHIT.
Lets ban your ass!!!

Not only that, but what about the artists whos hands worked day in and day out making that animation (cel or computer). Are you saying their work isnt important enough to be named by NAME?

You put your editing name there in clear print, but I don't belive I have ever seen someone put the animators name right by theirs.
Why... Wait a secound...
Thats wrong OH... MY... GOD...

THEREFORE.

If you're gonna ban everyone whom steals or "Claims those edits to be there own" I say... I'll give up on the org right when we start doing that.

Because that's wrong on levels beyond your imagination.

If you're going to do that. Shut the entire org down, because we're all calling those edits ours, and we're all calling what we made our own.

The laws on the org about stealing peoples footage are as one person told me "Something to protect the org incase someone decides to get sue happy".

I say, let them steal the footage, the cuts, hell steal the god damn music for all I care.

Know why?
Because I don't do this for people to say "Hey look!!! Voices_of_Ryan is so awesome".

I did this for people to get something from my videos, and if someone feels my cuts are as nessicary as the animation, let them take them.

I have absolutely nothing against it, at all. And quite frankly...
I don't feel anyone should.

But that's my HONEST opinion, and if you don't like it, you may firmly direct your comments to this post.
I won't reply, but I'll most likely be reading them.
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