Plagiarism in AMV contests

MomochiZabuza · Post by **MomochiZabuza** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 12:53 pm

NO MORE ANGRY

I DID THE RIGHT THING IN THE END!

EVERYONE MUST BE HAPPPYYYYYYYYY!!!!

HAPPPYYY DAMN YOU!

genestarwind21122 · Post by **genestarwind21122** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 12:58 pm

Kasra_WTF wrote:For the third time, the same vid of mine has been plagiarized by the same vidder. Now while this pisses me off on principle alone, there's a new twist this time - according to the video information for the newest vid, she's entering it in the AMV contest at Anime North.

What should I do? I'm pissed off enough that there's nothing I can effectively do about the plagiarized vids on this site, but having her take credit for my editing in an AMV contest is a step too far for me to ignore.

I would diffidently report it to Anime North.

BogoSort · Post by **BogoSort** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 1:54 pm

Corran Productions wrote:If anyone were to use my AMVs for footage I would prefer they ask me first.

Do you ask the anime production houses if you can use their footage? Do you ask the creators of the series if it's ok to use their characters? Do you ask the music artists if you can use their songs?

Sephiroth · Post by **Sephiroth** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 2:04 pm

ANd if youve ever done a metallica AMV and made it avalible for download
http://zdnet.com.com/2100-11-519908.html?legacy=zdnn

"In a press release announcing the suit, publicists for the band and music companies even threw in a statement from Metallica drummer Lars Ulrich, who said it is "sickening to know that our art is being traded like a commodity rather than the art that it is."

"From a business standpoint, this is about piracy -- aka taking something that doesn't belong to you -- and that is morally and legally wrong." "

And there are ppeople out there that make moneyby editing music and your anime has been edited together by somone. We stole those poeples edits. We stole everything that they made, all the colorist, all the inbetweeners, everyone.

Why don't we all make our own animation? Why don't we make our own music?

So if i make a song, somone uses it in a music video they are right to do so. If i make a animated short. Somone uses it in a video, then they're right to do so. But if i edit somone elses animation and somone edits that edit it's wrong.

Corran · Post by **Corran** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 2:42 pm

BogoSort wrote:
Corran Productions wrote:If anyone were to use my AMVs for footage I would prefer they ask me first.
Do you ask the anime production houses if you can use their footage? Do you ask the creators of the series if it's ok to use their characters? Do you ask the music artists if you can use their songs?

This is more of a personal thing. It doesn't have to be right.

Starherd · Post by **Starherd** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 2:55 pm

MomochiZabuza wrote:Are you trying to say i have no dedication?

If you are i believe you are very wrong, even though i did take one part of the amv from some other guy it doesn't mean the rest ofmy amv took countless houres to perfect it

NEVER EVER think that just because you take the hard way you are better than people who take the easy way out

Laughing now. Don't you know that the easy path is the wrong one 99.99999% of the time?

That said: If you're that desperate for that 3-second clip or whatnot... and it's not a clip that the amv creator made a lot of changes to... I say, more power to you, with the stipulation that you should still ask. You never know, the vid creator might even offer a less-edited clip or something, so that you have more to work with.

About the person who spent $400 on Rose of Versailles? That series has never been released in the US, and I'm dying to see it. If I'd known that you could get the dvds from Italy back when I had a job, I probably would have gone for it. (Heck, I considered trying to get the Japanese Utena dvds, but luckily right after I decided I was going to, CPM announced that they were going to release them after all. *phew*) Anyway, now I'm a full-time mom, so saving up for Rose of Versailles is pretty low on my list of things to spend money on. The point? It's all about your priorities. If you *really* want to make a video look as good as possible, you really do need to lay down the money for source and equipment. If you can live with it otherwise, it's up to you.

Starherd · Post by **Starherd** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 3:12 pm

Sephiroth wrote: So if i make a song, somone uses it in a music video they are right to do so. If i make a animated short. Somone uses it in a video, then they're right to do so. But if i edit somone elses animation and somone edits that edit it's wrong.

Correct. How often do you see an anime music video with the information "This is done with that Trigun anime that I made, to that song Bring Me To Life that I did all by myself"? We're flat out saying that we're using existing anime and putting it to an existing song, for the purposes of making a comment about the music and series that we love (which, incidentally, quite probably falls under the "fair use" part of copyright law). We're not trying to pass off the anime and song as our own work.

Therefore, someone trying to pass off an amv creator's edits and effects as their own is, well, wrong.

Crediting someone without asking is just incredibly rude - one might even say ideotic, since it only makes the used vid's creator(s) mad and makes a constructive relationship very difficult thereafter. Why? Because, unlike anime studios and music artists (who have to go through often unhelpful lawyers for everything)*, amv creators are very easily accessible. If we weren't, how would we get any feedback on our videos?

* = Except for Metallica. They're just deluded, given the amount of research indicating that the RIAA just has the wrong end of the stick and filesharing does more good (as in free advertising) than harm. But then, I neither fileshare nor listen to the radio, so most popular music falls on deaf ears here... It has to be in a movie I like before I notice it most of the time. ;-)

Sephiroth · Post by **Sephiroth** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 5:40 pm

So your saying crediting a musical artist and anime series without asking is ok because it's to hard to ask. Getting a scene from anther video is wrong because it's to easy. So as long as you agree with the hard way it's ok. The hard way is hard so you take the easy way. But the easy way is wrong.

Catch 22

Starherd wrote: Crediting someone without asking is just incredibly rude - one might even say ideotic, since it only makes the used vid's creator(s) mad and makes a constructive relationship very difficult thereafter. Why? Because, unlike anime studios and music artists (who have to go through often unhelpful lawyers for everything)*, amv creators are very easily accessible. If we weren't, how would we get any feedback on our videos?

BogoSort · Post by **BogoSort** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 6:02 pm

Corran Productions wrote:This is more of a personal thing. It doesn't have to be right. :P

So you're saying that animators, producers, directors, music artists, and the like aren't people? And thus they don't need to be asked like an amv creator like you claim?

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 6:08 pm

Sephiroth wrote:So your saying crediting a musical artist and anime series without asking is ok because it's to hard to ask. Getting a scene from anther video is wrong because it's to easy.

No. Crediting a musical artist and anime series without asking is ok because you *credit* them. You are not saying their work is yours.

Getting a scene from another video would not be wrong if you credit the source.

When you say it's yours, you are plagiarising, passing off someone else's work as your own. This is conceptual theft by US definition. It is upheld in *all* educational settings, so it should be familiar to you if you're a US citizen.

Quoting someone in a paper is fine because you admit that it isn't yours. You don't have to write the author in order to quote that material - you just have to *credit* the owner.

Stealing someone's edits and saying it's yours is theft, nothing more. It isn't borrowing without permission, it isn't parodying without permission (which is actually perfectly legal when you do it with fiction in the US market), it's theft because you are taking that person's work and saying it's yours. When it's not yours.

Who makes an amv and says "this anime is mine, I drew it, this song is mine, I wrote it and sung it"? No one. That's stupid. No one would be that stupid. They say "this anime is 'insert-name-here', and I'm using it for my video."

Is it really so hard to understand the difference between crediting something and lying as you try to pass it off as your own?

[For the record, I disagree with Starherd entirely. You don't have to contact an amv editor just because he isn't a famous celebrity living in another country. Editors have lives the same way anime makers do, and believe it or not, but there are some who can't be contacted. It doesn't matter, though, since I'm more concerned with the moral idea of intelectual theft. As long as you admit who it belongs to, it isn't any worse than using the anime in the first place.]