Could real music videos be any more badly edited?

[guy07]

I was wondering when someone was going to mention them. Too bad they're over. I miss them.

Nothing is over until WE say it is! HELL NO!

[Douggie]

This is probably one of my favorite music videos:

http://tinyurl.com/mj8es

You're right, it has no beat synch.
You're right, there's no lyric synch.
And yes, the fades are rightly timed and beautiful in its composition.

Beat synch, lyric synch, mood synch, etc. are terms that are made by the fan-made communities that makes music videos. Especially the AMV-community goes by these synching rules (and other absurd unspoken rules like using fades in slow songs), mostly because people here are (fan) editors and not directors - meaning they want to show off editing skills (or compositing skills). Synching is the most obvious way to show that they've edited the video and I think that's the reason why this community likes to see "teh synchs" so much. This might be all the technique that editors have here.

Which is actually too bad, because to be honest, it's not that hard to look at waveforms or use a scene that matches with a certain sentence that is at the moment. There's so much more to editing than just that and the videos released in this community start to look more and more the same, only with different sources and songs, because it seems all these "rules" are followed so religiously. There are not many videos that stand out because of that.

Mind you, music videos aren't better either, because the rule nowadays seems to be that you have to see the singer sing, the rapper rap and guitarist play guitar. Mixed in with some random footage, whether it be a guy in a helicopter or some hawt chicks dancing.

Eh.. I might be drifting away.. So what were we talking about again?

[Sukunai]

Card to Stone's link (which was for Chemical Brothers - Star Guitar on the tube) was actually good in an odd sort of way.

I'm thinking the creator liked A complete waste of 6 minutes and 35 seconds too.

[Sukunai]

http://www.mtv.co.uk/channel/mtvuk/news ... e_invasion

$1 million + Pam Anderson + jumping across canyons + "and shit" = The Best Video, according to Kanye.

Read it for Justin's comment at the end.

It sounds like he could be a candidate for being lumped in with Narutards on the tube thinking that all you need is Naruto, the current hit song with the young, and cram them together for the win.

It's not how much you stupidly spent, and what shit you cram into the video, it's whether it rates as graffiti on a warehouse wall or art in the Louvre.

[Sukunai]

This is probably one of my favorite music videos:

http://tinyurl.com/mj8es

You're right, it has no beat synch.
You're right, there's no lyric synch.
And yes, the fades are rightly timed and beautiful in its composition.

Beat synch, lyric synch, mood synch, etc. are terms that are made by the fan-made communities that makes music videos. Especially the AMV-community goes by these synching rules (and other absurd unspoken rules like using fades in slow songs), mostly because people here are (fan) editors and not directors - meaning they want to show off editing skills (or compositing skills). Synching is the most obvious way to show that they've edited the video and I think that's the reason why this community likes to see "teh synchs" so much. This might be all the technique that editors have here.

Which is actually too bad, because to be honest, it's not that hard to look at waveforms or use a scene that matches with a certain sentence that is at the moment. There's so much more to editing than just that and the videos released in this community start to look more and more the same, only with different sources and songs, because it seems all these "rules" are followed so religiously. There are not many videos that stand out because of that.

Mind you, music videos aren't better either, because the rule nowadays seems to be that you have to see the singer sing, the rapper rap and guitarist play guitar. Mixed in with some random footage, whether it be a guy in a helicopter or some hawt chicks dancing.

Eh.. I might be drifting away.. So what were we talking about again?

Good post.

I concur about how we might be getting to a point where we worry too much that we NEED certain elements in an amv in order for it to qualify as good.

My son's very first video creation was done with nothing better than Windows movie maker and he had had no previous actual assistance, advice or input from any other sources. And to be honest I was stunned with how good it was (especially as I have seen so danged many amvs prior to his, so I can say with confidence I have a good idea of what a 1 looks like and what a 5 looks like).
I personally think his first effort is at the very least a 3, and maybe a 4 with some fans of the content.

It was almost entirely done around the idea, make the viewer feel the song through what they are looking at. He didn't really have any fancy elements at all. No lip sync, no fancy pacing. But you felt the song in the view.
His only weak link, the song and the video have been massively over done as content, and I suspect he would get panned as "just another [insert video and song name here] amv.

[Vivaldi]

Which is actually too bad, because to be honest, it's not that hard to look at waveforms or use a scene that matches with a certain sentence that is at the moment. There's so much more to editing than just that and the videos released in this community start to look more and more the same, only with different sources and songs, because it seems all these "rules" are followed so religiously. There are not many videos that stand out because of that.

Is it too much to have both? I agree it's not all about the beat, but it's also not some unimportant thing made up by the fan community to show their skill. Putting something on the beat is just common sense, the beat is the the foundation of a song. Never putting anything on the beat\or directly off beat\or even a sub-beat will, at best, make the video feel off kilter and detached from the song, at worst it becomes a complete mess. In a good video, good mood and good sync (not necceciarly on the main beat) will harmonize the relationship between the song and video, with occasional off beat syncs to add difference and flavor,and then build up to a climax of both at the same time. Which if done right can form a sort of euphoric feeling and some giddyness. If you've never felt this or can at least relate to the effect proper sync has, then why are you into amvs in the first place? If course beat isn't the most important thing, and alone it gets boring and predicable real quick. But it's pretty D@mm important. I think the director that first realizes to use both will become sought after very quickly. (time\ place effect not-withstanding )

[x_rex30]

What are you talking about rules. It's all about what sells and what doesn't. You can do something that you have no idea how people interpret and you could also go ahead and follow guide lines, your own made up ones or whatever.

I like mood sync, I could do the grabbing of videos and then post links but mood sync is found in music videos all the time you'd see on music channels. You think of a certain sound element and you think of a good visual element that goes with it. That's what mood sync is.

I'll mention some videos I think have good mood sync

Gorillaz - El Mañana
Soundgarden - Burden In My Hand
Soundgarden - Blow Up The Outside
Eels - Novocaine for the soul

[Castor Troy]

*real* anime music videos are pretty bad, the ones done by the companies themselves as DVD extras.

The tank! music video on the Cowboy Bebop DVDs was terrible.

[OropherZero]

The GTO 'School in Session' one wasn't too bad

[Kitsuner]

*real* anime music videos are pretty bad, the ones done by the companies themselves as DVD extras.

The tank! music video on the Cowboy Bebop DVDs was terrible.

The ones on the last disc of Noir were pretty cool.