Why do you review your own meps

[jubjub2]

I'm getting quite sick of this but I keep getting misinterpretations of meps because the creators review it and give it straight tens. Here are some examples of this garbage bs..

http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... p?v=110701

http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... p?v=103788

Hmm, ALL 10s...that means that ONLY the creators have opinioned it, meaning that they weren't even good enough to get OTHER people to comment on it.

Guess since these are on my profile, I should comment...

On the V-Day MEP, three ops are from people that participated in the MEP. However, 3 are from people who aren't involved at all with the project. The only ops that are public are the ones from those that weren't involved.

On the other MEP, I haven't made any of the ops public for that reason - they are from participants.

I have gotten lots of honest comments in the QCs on both projects. Some constructive, some derisive, but all appreciated. And since they are meant for all the participants, not just the coordinator, I make sure to share them as they come in. Opinions are coming through, one way or another.

As far as the number scoring, I have seen plenty of wonderful videos that have low scores in both the opinions and the stars. But my tastes are different from a lot of people, just as they are shared with yet others. You can't always judge a video by it's numbers. I guess the same argument could be made for the other side of the coin, too... Those ops that are mainly 1's and 3's left just to drop the numbers of a video or for spite.

Of course, rare are the complaints on all 10 ops.

Anyway, my two cents. I personally don't leave ops for videos I make or participate in. But I'm also not going to keep others from doing what they want to with their opinions.

Like Ileia said,

Well, if it is a "Multi-editor" project, that would mean that the person leaving the opinion was not the only one who edited the video, meaning they could still have an opinion on the OTHER SEGMENTS of the MEP.

X2

/me glomps

[Infinity Squared]

Just in case you didn't know.....I give a damn. And so does X-rex, and so does everyone else who posted in this topic here within the past 1 day it's been up since they actually decided to comment on this isuue.

An opinion for yourself? Okay, I did it once from mistake when I first joined the site but at least I was honest. I even called the quality crappy and everything.....that was funny.....why did I say it like that in my opinion anyway, whatever. At least be honest. The only way I can really give out all 10's like that is if I somehow cry watching it, which has happened a couple times in both action and sentimental AMV's.

I'm not saying I don't give a damn either... I've learnt a lot in the past from opinions which I have received and I understand the value of them, otherwise I know I might just be another person who gave up because I never got better. And hell, I've also opinioned a MEP that I participated in, and if you bother searching, I did an honest appraisal of what I saw from everyone's work (score wise as well as written stuff).

What I was gesturing here was for an understanding of why one would put up all 10s in the MEPs... Having full 10s in a single editor video can usually be attributed to a joke or a deliberate abuse of the point scoring system. However in a MEP, I see it that (besides those 2 points I said), the people working together to make the entire compilation would have already seen each others works in the process, known the faults and virtues, and more than likely made them known to each other even before the video was released. And this is what I meant with "no one really cares" in that the participants of the MEP wouldn't be getting as much from "real opinions" from each other anymore since they probably told each other already beforehand and taken them to heart, possibly even incorporating it into the finished product.

So why then would you still put the opinion anyway? As I said, jokes, pat on the back, just anything but being serious because there's not always anymore points in being serious, if the reason for opinions was to improve on your videos... so again, I go back to what I said in my last sentence, in my opinion, it's nothing worth giving too much attention to, particularly if you take into account the sheer volume of opinions flung around this place to begin with.

[Arigatomina]

The fact is the whole rating system for AMV's is based on the honor system, like one of those snack boxes that say "We put our trust in you!" Some people will pay for the snacks, some people will steal them. This is why I like ops that have somewhat detailed opinions.

I love the way you put that.

I put effort into ops I write for this site. I put importance on the ops I receive when it looks like the person is giving their genuine unsolicited opinion of my work. I appreciate it more when they put time into giving me that genuine opinion with examples and details. I like the opinion system on this site, the way it's set up with so it's easy to make a quick bit of feedback with room for more detailed feedback if the writer prefers that. I've been on sites where there's a word limit and those rare detailed reviews are cut off part way - unretrievable for lack of a good system. I don't like it when people say it's better to scrap this system than to try and discourage abuse of it. Do you stop putting boxes at the front of stores for food drives just because some trashy people steal from them? People put trash in the donation boxes at gas stations - it's hard to police those people but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try. What's wrong with fighting for something because it's right? Can't we at least pretend to be idealists once in a while?

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It's the idea of this sort of reviewing that bothers me, not the specifics. I'm very biased when I review friends' videos. For that reason, I try not to review them so I don't give blind feedback that serves no purpose. It's easier to pm the person and gush in private without hurting the system no one seems willing to protect. I don't ask my friends to op my vids because it's not fair to those new members who come and are immediately told the most popular videos on this site can be found on the top 10 list (sorted - shocker - by the op scores). No, I don't look for videos by checking for the highest scores, but other people do - they're encouraged to by that list. That list is still one of the first links new people get when they post asking for the 'best' videos here. It matters because we tell them it does. We might say it doesn't matter in threads like this, but look at the people posting in this thread. Now do a search and see how many of them have posted the top 10 link telling new members how important the op scores are. You can't have it both ways.

[Infinity Squared]

You always put such a convincing argument, Arigatomina and it's hard to chink away some kind of rebuttal for it... so I won't because in fact there's a lot that I agree with you with.

Taken from a "big picture" perspective though, I believe the op system here works... the number of unwarranted or abuse of the system opinion scores in general are few compared to those that are a reflection of the video at hand (however the actual written review is another matter entirely). We only hear about them more often because people love to complain (I mean, why would you complain or bring to the light a good review you receive?).

There'll always be bias, there'll always be some smooth selling of videos due to reputation, but in the long run, I am of the belief that the opinions around here are useful, both to new people and veterans.