Should videos using "stolen clips" be banned from

AmazonMandy · Post by **AmazonMandy** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 3:24 pm

Actually, i honestly understand that, though i don't really condone it. If the person who had stolen clips from my AMV had only used raw clips, it would have bothered me, but not enough to report it to the Mods. But when they use what footage you work hard on to perfect for your AMV, sure, thats alot more irritating.

Org Profile · Post by **Vlad G Pohnert** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 3:34 pm

AmazonMandy wrote: If you think its so illegal/unethical to create them, why are you here? Because we enjoy creating this form of art (yeah thats right, i do think amvs are just another form of fanart).

You missed the point, I'm not stating that if they are illigal/unethical why do I then bother... I'm stating that there really is nothing that can be done to stop if someone does use clips from others and we really can't enforce it... enough said...

I think this topic now has been beaten to death and maybe deserves a rest

Vlad

rubyeye · Post by **rubyeye** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 3:39 pm

Vlad G Pohnert wrote:
AmazonMandy wrote: I think this topic now has been beaten to death and maybe deserves a rest
Vlad

Well, it was just an idea to juggle around, but I think you're right.

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 4:24 pm

Plagiarism is when you use someone else's work and claim it as your own. So long as you cite your source, it is not plagiarism.

That is so very simple, why the controversy?

You write a paper and quote someone - that is not theft. You're using that person's property without permission, but it is not counted as theft. Why? Because you don't claim it as your own - you didn't *steal* it, you used it while being completely upfront about who really owns it.

The entire idea of disclaimers is to make certain you say exactly who owns the work - the anime, the artist of the song. We do that every single time we list a video here.

Those who steal edits and claim them as their own are in no way the same as people who borrow anime scenes while being completely honest about the fact that - "Hey, this comes from Trigun! It's not my anime! Heh, the edits are mine, but the anime isn't! I'm just using it for a non-profit fun!"

Who in their right mind would compare that to someone who goes out and says -

"I edited this video. These edits and effects weren't made by Nemoxs, I made them. Really I did. Oh, yeah, it's identical to his vid, that he put out nearly a year before mine - but I MADE THE EDITS IN THIS VID!!!!! They belong to me! Weeee.....!"

Uh....yeah...

There's a big difference in those two cases. One cites the sources - the anime and song. The other plagiarises by claiming credit for someone else's work. If you don't get that, look up the definition of plagiarism - if you don't claim it's yours, it's not plagiarism. It's as simple as that.

So either take the thefts down, or make them do what we do - cite their sources.

eadsja · Post by **eadsja** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 4:39 pm

Beowulf wrote:I say delete 'em.

Fuck plaugurism.

And what do You think you do when you "get footage" from your big DVD or fan sub collection...

Let it fly, Those videos just won't be liked...

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 5:13 pm

eadsja wrote:
Beowulf wrote:I say delete 'em.

Fuck plaugurism.
And what do You think you do when you "get footage" from your big DVD or fan sub collection...

I can't speak for Beo, but I think -

It's not plagiarism because I'm not claiming to own the source. So why do you compare the two?

Beowulf · Post by **Beowulf** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 5:20 pm

Exactly.

I'm not claiming this footage or music as my own. I thought that would be obvious. Everything else however, is mine.

Most people here don't seem to know the definition of plaugarism.

"Passing off as one's own the work of another without credit."

Taking source from DVDs or CDs isnt plagarism. Passing it off as your own is. I recall a video that entirely lifted Fluxmeister's Eternal Damnation and said it was his own. Why is that shit allowed here?

And more importantly why does everyone have such an apathetic attitude about it? This shit isn't ok.

Voices_Of_Ryan · Post by **Voices_Of_Ryan** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 5:38 pm

Beowulf wrote:Exactly.

I'm not claiming this footage or music as my own. I thought that would be obvious. Everything else however, is mine.

Most people here don't seem to know the definition of plaugarism.

"Passing off as one's own the work of another without credit."

Taking source from DVDs or CDs isnt plagarism. Passing it off as your own is. I recall a video that entirely lifted Fluxmeister's Eternal Damnation and said it was his own. Why is that shit allowed here?

And more importantly why does everyone have such an apathetic attitude about it? This shit isn't ok.

I wasnt being apathetic towards anyone, what I was saying was, if you're gonna fuck one person.

Please bring enough to share for the entire class. Cause we've all stolen something, no matter what you say, you're stealing this "shit" and thats not ok, so either way.

Once again, if you're gonna fuck one person, bring enough for the entire class.

Kalium · Post by **Kalium** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 5:39 pm

Beowulf wrote:And more importantly why does everyone have such an apathetic attitude about it? This shit isn't ok.

Most likely because we know there's more or less nothing we can do about it?

xTrunkZx · Post by **xTrunkZx** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 5:43 pm

Technically Voices of Ryan we are not on the subject of stealing anymore but plaugarism... We give credit toward the show and its creators. Yet those who steal our editing give no credit. Its amazing really. How this place is so passive about it. It shouldn't be condoned and you know it. This is a battle that no one can win. On one hand you have the people steal the editing without credit. There are so many that we couldn't possibly get them all. I say we just report the ones we DO find and the be banished. End Of Story.