Has anyone done an AMV with TONS of graphics?

LindenRathan · Post by **LindenRathan** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 1:35 pm

lip synking aint so bad with WMM just need a little more patence(pardont the spelling) to do it thats all trust me ive made a few vids and done lip synking very well actualy maby one day ill get them up here

more runons and bad spelling to come

Scintilla · Post by **Scintilla** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 3:25 pm

Zarxrax wrote:
trythil wrote: Prove it.

See, the reason why I don't think you need a specific set of software to do anything is because I've been able to replicate just about any effect I've seen using a rather esoteric set of tools (most of which can be downloaded freely off the Internet).
I admit I've never used windows movie maker. But from what I hear, it SEVERELY limits what you are able to do. Someone editing with WMM really has no option except to basically just rearrange scenes. While someone working with good software has the ability to actually CREATE something.

So someone working with WMM can't do something like, say, <a href="http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... 0">cutting Shinji out of the beach scene with Kaoru in ep 24 and substituting in Rei while still being able to have the waves move on the water?</a>

I don't remember whether Cyanna did that using Photoshop or PSP, but she could have done it with <a href="http://www.gimp.org">The GIMP</a> just as well. Which, like WMM, is also free.

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LindenRathan · Post by **LindenRathan** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 3:41 pm

shockingly with WMM2 with a little skill you can create your own SFX and i been doing it latly and its kinda fun

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 4:25 pm

Scintilla wrote:So someone working with WMM can't do something like, say, cutting Shinji out of the beach scene with Kaoru in ep 24 and substituting in Rei while still being able to have the waves move on the water?

I don't remember whether Cyanna did that using Photoshop or PSP, but she could have done it with <a href="http://www.gimp.org">The GIMP</a> just as well. Which, like WMM, is also free.

Yes, I've done a 'switch' character scene in a video made with wmm, and still had the birds flying past the 'replaced' character (my 'Denial' video). But I didn't do that *in* wmm. I used PhotoImpression and VirtualDub to do it. All I did in wmm is arrange the clip so it fit into the timeline. That's what wmm is best for - arranging. Sure, you can mix and match effects to 'make' new ones, but you can't create anime scenes in wmm. Any creation takes place in other programs (photoshop programs, and a frame-sensitive program to align those frames - like Vdub). Wmm isn't good for creation (especially since it lacks transparency adjustments, frame accuracy, the ability to run certain formats of 'still' fram picture files) - wmm is best for the arrangement of footage you already created elsewhere.

Zarxrax · Post by **Zarxrax** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 4:28 pm

Scintilla wrote: So someone working with WMM can't do something like, say, <a href="http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... 0">cutting Shinji out of the beach scene with Kaoru in ep 24 and substituting in Rei while still being able to have the waves move on the water?</a>

I don't remember whether Cyanna did that using Photoshop or PSP, but she could have done it with <a href="http://www.gimp.org">The GIMP</a> just as well. Which, like WMM, is also free.
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Well that is certainly one of the best videos created in WMM that I have ever seen. But as I said, I've never used WMM so I don't know what it's capable of. I didn't even know it would let you import images as a video sequence like that. But regardless, there are still a ton of things that you absolutely can't do with WMM. While it's theoretically possible to create iincredible effect's filled videos entirely in photoshop, then render it out with WMM, in practice it is not possible to achieve something like say, Aluminum Studio's B4U video. While people can argue that you can take 500 other tools and combine them all with WMM to possibly create something like that, I think thats evading the point. The point is, that WMM on it's own, is not a capable enough editor to really create things with.

Maverick-Rubik · Post by **Maverick-Rubik** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 5:02 pm

So someone working with WMM can't do something like, say, <a href="http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... 0">cutting Shinji out of the beach scene with Kaoru in ep 24 and substituting in Rei while still being able to have the waves move on the water?</a>

She cut the frames with photoshop and placed them individually into wmm to make an animation sequence. Sure, she did it with WMM; but she ghetto-rigged it (better known as "workaround" it) by editing the frames in an image program first.

trythil · Post by **trythil** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 5:12 pm

Zarxrax wrote: While people can argue that you can take 500 other tools and combine them all with WMM to possibly create something like that, I think thats evading the point. The point is, that WMM on it's own, is not a capable enough editor to really create things with.

I don't think it's evading the point at all. A video production system, IMHO, is not comprised of just one program.

Zarxrax · Post by **Zarxrax** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 5:34 pm

trythil wrote:
Zarxrax wrote: While people can argue that you can take 500 other tools and combine them all with WMM to possibly create something like that, I think thats evading the point. The point is, that WMM on it's own, is not a capable enough editor to really create things with.
I don't think it's evading the point at all. A video production system, IMHO, is not comprised of just one program.

That's true. But look at it this way. I'm currently making a video in After Effects. Am I ONLY using After Effects? Not quite. I'm also making use of avisynth, virtualdub, photoshop, and illustrator. Avisynth and virtualdub being used to prepare video clips, and photoshop and illustrator being used to prepare images. Now what am I using AE for? To create the video. I am not creating the video in photoshop or illustrator. I am not creating the video in virtualdub or avisynth. I am creating the video in After Effects, and After Effects alone. Hell, I'm also running windows xp, notepad, media player classic, all of which "help" me to create my video.
The point I'm trying to get at, is I am using the MOST APPROPRIATE TOOL FOR THE JOB. Can I make my video in Windows Movie Maker? I can guarantee you that I absolutely could not. However, I could make my video using all of this other software, then use WMM to render it. But then did I really make the video in WMM? I think not.

Basically what I'm trying to point out about your arguement trythill, is a point that you make yourself. Just one program isn't enough. You need a whole range of programs to accomplish different things. What you state, is that it DOES NOT MATTER what software you use, though you just contradicted yourself by saying that it does matter. Is Windows Movie Maker possibly usefull in some situations? I'm sure it probably is. Is it usefull in all situations? Definately not.

Maverick-Rubik · Post by **Maverick-Rubik** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 5:37 pm

Just look at yourselves.

Arguing over WMM in a thread that's supposed to help someone find effects heavy videos (although I am slightly guilty too).

Zarxrax · Post by **Zarxrax** » Sat Mar 20, 2004 5:40 pm

Maverick7013 wrote:Just look at yourselves.

Arguing over WMM in a thread that's supposed to help someone find effects heavy videos (although I am slightly guilty too).

Well, it's fun