Stealed Footage from Amvs

[JaddziaDax]

Icy Coud makes a good point... I didnt think of that...

[Otohiko]

I'll put it to you this way:

The fact is, in taking others' footage without due credit and saying that it's all "just clips that you don't own anyway", you're reducing your own hobby to exactly that - just clips, thus completely discrediting your own work and showing serious disrespect towards AMV makers both as individuals and as a group. The implication is that you consider the work of the editors worthless and disregardable, and pretend that the time, effort and money they put in to make the AMV were not needed at all. Because, after all, it's just clips.
But it's not just clips - most AMV's you see are meticulously edited with cuts, effects, transitions, sequences and so forth; they're taken from sources the creator might have paid a hefty sum of money for and then took hours to extract, filter, compress and deliver to your computer - even if they don't own them, good creators put a lot of effort in to get their footage.
The fact is, and some would like to deny it - AMV's are not just the clips you see, they're the result of a lot of hard, unpaid work.
So you reduce them to just clips. To me, that indicates how much you seem to value your own work as an AMVer - or at least how little respect and understanding you have of this hobby in general.

There is one condition under reducing AMV's to nothing but clips+music would be acceptable, and which I would be the first to embrace: if we eliminate the 'system of authorship' altogether. That's to say, all AMV's suddenly become anonymous, and no credit for them will be due to anyone including their creator. To be honest, that would be my perfect creative world, but it's not possible.

So until you've accepted the condition of being given no credit, praise, criticism, attention or respect at all to you or anyone else for making AMV's, be kind and respect others' work.

[Arigatomina]

...i dont understand why everyone is persecuting people with limited resources. I have dial up and the only thing i can use to make the amvs is through windows movie maker.

I'm on dial-up, and I use Windows Movie Maker (though I did upgrade to 2.0 - it's free, so you can do that, too). That's not 'limited resources' - dial-up and wmm don't stop me from buying tons of dvds, renting even more from Netflix, and borrowing still more from friends. I have access to an easy hundred anime sources - without downloading the anime or ripping off other people's amvs. Know why? I work.

I'm sure you've heard it before. If you can walk, you can mow a lawn and get $5 for it. Do that four times and you have enough money to rent 24 anime dvds from Netflix (you get the first month free, second month is 19$ - 3 dvds out at a time). Too young for a credit card? Give the money to your mother and ask her to use it for your account - be sure to tell her you will cancel it after the second month (unless you do some more work and pay for a third month). Don't have a dvd-rom on your computer? Mow another lawn or two - you can buy them for under $50, and you can earn $50 in a month if you're willing to work a little in your free time. No lawns to mow? Ask your elderly neighbor if she has anything you can do for a few dollars. I bet she'll jump on the chance to have someone young to do a few things for her.

Being young, poor (because you won't work), and on dial-up doesn't make you a sob story. You only have to be 14yrs old to work at Holiday World (a theme park in Indiana). There's work out there even for kids, there's no excuse to say "I'm poor, so I have to steal."

/not to say there's no difference between 'borrowing with credit given' and outright lying and acting like it's yours when it's not - I'm just replying to the "I steal because I'm poor" comment.

[[Mike of the Desert]]

I have too a dial-up 56k internet connection, something sad and painful, but I usually done my amvs by this way (my first ones), asking to a friend to compress anime episodes trough WMM sending them to me trough mail or msn, with file sizes around 10/15. After, for some others I tried rip off some dvds I had but I didn't have in the beginning the right knowledge to do that :/ Now I work thanks to my dvds (ripping off) and thanks to Hinatasan who have a cable connection, she download and also send to me trough post them =) I'm anyway a collectionist, I'm not always able to rip off anime dvds but I can say that I have all the anime dvds of any anime I used in my works =P

[bum]

man if you cant figure out how to rip a dvd then I seriosly fear the quality of your vids.

[TeclmmlEd]

man if you cant figure out how to rip a dvd then I seriosly fear the quality of your vids.

Eh cant blame some people who are new to the AMV world. They may not know. I mean they could have got like 5 MVs of FMA from some friend and thought they would give a crack at making a vid with the footage they have just obtained.

I agree its wrong to steal someone elses footage but some people somtimes dont know WTF they are doing and if anyone will care. So...if they are stupid enough to post it on the org and not know that the footage they just edited with is on the org than let them get caught. But let people edit for fun with footage that they obtain if they must.

- Tec

[sephiroth1944]

I can't say that I'm completly against it. My very first vid, A DBZ video to creed's Freedom fighter, used footage from other videos but I would have never posted it online. My only vid that I posted on AMV was Aeris' Sacrifice, and my footage came from ripping it using PSMplay. I can see stealing other people's footage if only for fun but not to post online.

[[Mike of the Desert]]

man if you cant figure out how to rip a dvd then I seriosly fear the quality of your vids.

Eh cant blame some people who are new to the AMV world. They may not know. I mean they could have got like 5 MVs of FMA from some friend and thought they would give a crack at making a vid with the footage they have just obtained.

I agree its wrong to steal someone elses footage but some people somtimes dont know WTF they are doing and if anyone will care. So...if they are stupid enough to post it on the org and not know that the footage they just edited with is on the org than let them get caught. But let people edit for fun with footage that they obtain if they must.

- Tec

This is been for my first ones =) (with a quality that is less that a pixel changing color), now I have this knowledge

[Heiwahugia]

We all post our amv online because we want to share them with the world. Just because you use clips from other creaters does not mean your undermining the creators hardwork. I cant rip dvds cuz i have no dvd rom drive. and i have no money. peroid. i cant sign up for netflix. This hole situation is being blown out of porportion. I dont think anyone can regulate what people steal from other amv. Anime and amv are meant to entertain. They are a seperate entity than there creator. And if the only way to entertain is by being hacked up for a new amv, then by all meens go ahead. I really couldnt care less if people stole clips from my amvs. As long as its nothing that has author specific edits in it then its fine by me.

[trythil]

We all post our amv online because we want to share them with the world.

True, but there is not an implicit "derivative works encouraged" tag with that posting.

I cant rip dvds cuz i have no dvd rom drive. and i have no money. peroid.

You say that as if it were a permanent attribute of your existence. What's wrong with getting a job?

I dont think anyone can regulate what people steal from other amv.

Standards of ethical behavior, not regulation, is the question.

As long as its nothing that has author specific edits in it then its fine by me.

Isn't _every_ edit in an AMV "author-specific" since it was done by, well, the AMV editor (or, to use your terminology, the AMV author)?


Just for the record: I don't really care if people take my clips either, because I think that they're just hurting themselves by using my mediocre encodes and edits.

I can't see your justification, though.