Motivation

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Thu May 06, 2004 3:07 pm

Heh, no, I don't have a problem with that. Competition is a healthy thing.

Besides, it's probably fair to say that there isn't such a clear-cut line between competitive and otherwise. Plus, I suppose it is possible to make a video to both impress others and out of sheer personal inspiration simultaneously. Rare, but it can happen.

Competitive and non-competitive in AMV's isn't so much in the product as it is in the intention of its' creator. But it does show.

And also, my non-competitiveness doesn't mean I don't want my videos to be shown at cons, or go into contests, etc. Exposure is still nice; but I haven't made a video specifically to please an audience, and I'll doubt I'm ever gonna win anything. Oh well.

I guess that just shows the different motivations. My motivation comes from certain artistic aims and personal satisfaction derived from being able to share the results with others, for better or worse. People tell me I'd be much better off editing shorter videos, or working with more likeable music, and I never listen

In the battle of popularity vs. personal aim, personal aim wins.

This is why I call myself a very selfish, egotistical editor. Strangely enough, I like similarly selfish, egotistical editors better than the many outgoing, viewer-friendly (and generally more friendly) editors around here. Weird? I guess. But I think being an artistic asshole doesn't prevent one from making [subjectively] great videos

fyrtenheimer · Post by **fyrtenheimer** » Thu May 06, 2004 4:21 pm

You'd think the "selfish, egotistical editor" that you are and ur "non-competitiveness" would be at two different ends of the spectrum. You're saying you're both? How different.

Bote · Post by **Bote** » Thu May 06, 2004 4:28 pm

Tis a pure case of Dr.Oto/Mr.Hiko syndrom.

gypsy · Post by **gypsy** » Thu May 06, 2004 5:04 pm

bote wrote: Just look at Gypsy's Mystery Conundrum. That video stoods out from everything he made before and it seems like it isn't even the same creator. And how many people knew about its making? Very few I'd guess. Some people he showed the beta's to and the ones that helped him out with some editing tips. The video is pretty damn good IMO.

Inspiration for me comes from the sheer joy of editing. Even parts I hate when I'm stuc or can't get the effects quite right I love those parts as well. Most of my amv's seem's forced. This is because I always make an AMV because of my love for the particular song. I want to see a good music video on the song and most people don't put enough effort into music videos so I just do it myself. Editing 1 video takes anything from 3 weeks to 8 months. It has to be right and I try something new in every video.

My Mystery Conundrum video was the pinnicle of my editing skills. I had an idea and did it in premiere but I wasn't happy with the result. So I ended up learning Adobe After Effects and worked on the effect until it was perfect. (Except for the 2nd 3D part. I still dont like it.)

In the end the main reasons I make amv's is because I love AMV's and because of I like a particular song. I dont choose a song and Anime because "it fits". I choose a cong I like, then a anime which I've recently watched and like alot, make up some story to glue the mess together and start editing.

If people like the videos I make that's a bonus but I dont go out of my way to please the people. I do take into regard what everybody sais though...

DDramone · Post by **DDramone** » Thu May 06, 2004 6:00 pm

i know what you mean, but i find it easier to stay with AMVs cuz theyre not as long term as other projects i've taken up.... i dont know how this is gonna sound, but i've taken up screen writting. i went through ideas and lost intrest fast. the only thing that kept me wanting to write is reading books on the stuff and other movies.

but now i've been on the same idea for over half a year (3rd draft). be proud of me.

i think that wat ever project you take up you learn at least something from it. the books i was reading were great, but to be good at writing you have to WRITE! its like that with any art form. so if you half finish 50 amv's, you still got SOMETHING out of it, to make that amv you finally finish even better!

Scintilla · Post by **Scintilla** » Thu May 06, 2004 6:03 pm

bote wrote:
than come out with a video that would purposely aim to subvert the masses.
Purposely? Unless that video has some sort of hypnotic ala "Muuuuust liiiikeeee thiiiiis" it cannot be on purpose. When you make your video you don't aim for the public damn it (or maybe some do)

<a href="http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... 7794">It's Tricky to subvert the masses.</a>

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Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Thu May 06, 2004 6:11 pm

fyrtenheimer wrote:You'd think the "selfish, egotistical editor" that you are and ur "non-competitiveness" would be at two different ends of the spectrum. You're saying you're both? How different.

Well, to make it a bit less confusing:

(yea, it's a case of the Otohiko-pretentiousness syndrome)

(I'm obviously generalizing, but it'll work)

Maybe 'outwardly selfish/egotistical' is a better description.

Competitive editors have to care about the generic viewer to receive recognition. Thus, their videos must be outwardly appealing. That's called being considerate.

Non-competitive editors with their own artistic agendas could care less about the generic viewer. Thus, their videos can be as outwardly appealing or un-appealing as they'd like. That's called being egotistical.

Winning contests or getting into the top10% may be a selfish goal, but your best bet at winning it is surely not a selfish video - rather, you need something to reach out to Joe Viewer, and meet his expectations for a good video, thus making him run out and tell his friends to 'get the video cause it has 500 ops!'. You can't ignore poor Joe!

But I can, and for better or worse, do ignore poor Joe. And I'm still happy. I guess that makes me selfish.

SarahtheBoring · Post by **SarahtheBoring** » Thu May 06, 2004 6:28 pm

Everyone has their own reasons for doing this. And quite frankly, I'm coming to realize that parading around YOUR way, whatever your way is, as if it were ultimate truth, or bashing other people for having their own reasons, is bullshit. Everyone comes to this in a different way, and everyone has their own motivators, that work for them. It's like telling me I suck because I like butter pecan ice cream, WTF.

Personally? I have more respect for people who do this for some reasons than others. But more of my respect != ultimate truth or innate worth. It's just the opinion of some random chica on the internet. No more.

Anyway, as an example, I have no motivation because, right now, I don't know what I'm after in all of this. I'm not good enough to aspire to being played at cons (tried that, failed), I'm not so hateful as to try to best other people, and I can't make a few people happy with my ideas, because pretty much all I get from viewers is bitchery (apart from, you know, my one and only supporter

). So without any direction, it's hard to get myself to work unless it's just because I like the song and have nothing better to do at the moment.

So, find whatever YOU think will drive you. Everyone's is different. And then keep it to yourself (IMO) and use that drive to make good vids. That's all there is to it.

DemonSpawn · Post by **DemonSpawn** » Thu May 06, 2004 6:42 pm

SarahtheBoring wrote:Anyway, as an example, I have no motivation because, right now, I don't know what I'm after in all of this. I'm not good enough to aspire to being played at cons (tried that, failed), I'm not so hateful as to try to best other people, and I can't make a few people happy with my ideas, because pretty much all I get from viewers is bitchery (apart from, you know, my one and only supporter ). So without any direction, it's hard to get myself to work unless it's just because I like the song and have nothing better to do at the moment.

Actually, I really liked your Clouded Heart vid.

Generally, motivation is a tough thing to get. Recently, I just got the urge to create, so my motivation is based from that urge. Of course, now I have about an hour of free time per day, so that's on hold for now.

Oh yeah, and the drive to improve, like people said before me.

SarahtheBoring · Post by **SarahtheBoring** » Thu May 06, 2004 6:50 pm

DemonSpawn wrote: Actually, I really liked your Clouded Heart vid.

Generally, motivation is a tough thing to get. Recently, I just got the urge to create, so my motivation is based from that urge. Of course, now I have about an hour of free time per day, so that's on hold for now.

Oh yeah, and the drive to improve, like people said before me.

Oh, you mean the one that had the admin bitchslapping me in front of the whole forum. Right.

Errr... good points otherwise. *runs*