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dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Sun Jun 29, 2003 10:10 pm

OmniStrata wrote:You do NOT argue with Phade. 5 makes the most sense to me... Let's see, with the guides and the newbies getting smarter [my tests have proven this] What'll happen when all amvs are DVD quality? Will the current 10 drop down to 7?

I'm not too afraid of people complaining "WHY'D I GET A 5!?" when the site itself states that 5 should be the average. You people should NOT bring your "grade school" ideas of scoring here. What we end up with is a higher global average. I'm not saying that's bad (far from it) but as time goes on, we will need that 5 to be average. I think stricter scoring with the average 5 is better because it's a stronger "signal" to the person your opinionating that something should be done. When you say, "this video is kinda average" and give it a 7, that person's mind will think "7's not so bad" when in truth, the average vid around here is actually pretty bad...

I'm with Phade on this one, GOD BLESS DA FIVE AVERAGE!!!

Well first off, no I'm not trying to argue with Phade and I don't think he means to either. We're just having a discussion of the ways we score.

As for scoring in general, keep in mind that each of us is different and just like in gradeschool, different teachers would probably give different scores to the same paper yes? So, by the same token, different people score differently within the .org. Make sense?

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Sun Jun 29, 2003 10:16 pm

One thing I forgot to mention, is that when I grade, I keep in mind the "school averages" since that's how people interpret their grades correct? It's what we go through for 12 (some times 16 years) of our life and thus, that's the type of grading standard we have grown accustomed to. So yeah, when people see a 5, they get all angry because, it's what's been put into our brains for 12 years.

Thus, I grade accordingly since well...I dont' wanna piss people off too badl

. Given, I don't need to be considerate when grading, but well...that's just how I am (like I said about all of us grading differently).

Another thing is that we are forgetting about what is actually written in reviews. I pride myself on my reviews and telling people the "good" and "bad" fairly clearly and accurately (with time stamps and examples). I think this is a lot more important than any actual scoring and thus, I can justify my scoring and so on.

Lyrs · Post by **Lyrs** » Sun Jun 29, 2003 10:19 pm

No. People often don't tell what scale they are using and therefore the scores will be confused and amvs that may or may not deserve a certain rating is rated wrongly.

the top 10-30 of amvs should be teh top ten-thirty, but if people use the 7 average scale, then 7o's would be 50's and you wouldn't know which videos are truly the good apples.

/end

Nappy · Post by **Nappy** » Sun Jun 29, 2003 10:29 pm

Maybe everyone grades on a curve, and theres alot of bad videos o_o So the average goes up :o

SSJVegita0609 · Post by **SSJVegita0609** » Sun Jun 29, 2003 10:34 pm

I tell myself to grade 5 as average, but it just always turns out to be 7. I have this problem with being way way too nice, so the lowest scores I've ever given still usually average out to be 5-6.

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Sun Jun 29, 2003 10:37 pm

Lyrs wrote:the top 10-30 of amvs should be teh top ten-thirty, but if people use the 7 average scale, then 7o's would be 50's and you wouldn't know which videos are truly the good apples.

I think that list is off mostly because, when you like a person, and you like their video, and you don't care about being critically accurate, you'll give that video 10s whether it deserves it or not. Also, someone who's only seen poorly done videos (like a person who only downloads vids for one anime, and the anime is swamped with poorly done vids) - when that's what you see as average, you'll rate much higher for a vid that's better than all the rest in that anime - even if, compared to other vids in other animes, it's actually quite poorly done. That's pretty much in agreement with Dwchang's 'everyone scores differently' idea. What you've seen, and what you have to compare to really effects how you score. And so far there's no way to enforce the required viewing list so everyone *has* the same thing to compare vids to.

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Sun Jun 29, 2003 10:42 pm

Arigatomyna wrote:That's pretty much in agreement with Dwchang's 'everyone scores differently' idea. What you've seen, and what you have to compare to really effects how you score. And so far there's no way to enforce the required viewing list so everyone *has* the same thing to compare vids to.

Yup...that's the beauty of having so many members in our community. You get different opinions and different views of a video. This in turn leads to a diverse array of videos, which is great.

So yeah, it would be sort of pointless for all of us to grade exactly the same because to a degree (again not reality, just an extrapolation), that would sort of imply that all videos should be the same. Again, I realize I am just exagerrating things.

EarthCurrent · Post by **EarthCurrent** » Sun Jun 29, 2003 10:56 pm

Phade wrote:Hey EarthCurrent,

If you say that 7 is an "average" video, then what's the point of values 1-5? Just there to say "you really really really suck"?

Phade.

On all my current reviews I provide this hand little rubric:

10 - This is about as perfect as it can get. Very hard to squeeze out of me. If you do squeeze it out of me, it means you have attained a high level of respect from me. I do not give out 10s for Sound Quality unless the sound/music source was edited/improved upon by the video creator.
9 - Excellent work. The Highest score I am prone to give out.
8 - Pretty dang suave. Demonstrating above average work or quality.
7 - I'm happy with it. The average that people should be trying to exceed. Average videos get average scores. Average scores are given to average videos.
6 - Decent, but really needs extra work.
5 and Below - I feel that you weren't trying. Work lacking in any effort, attempts at creativity, or just plain bad will land you here.

I provide scores as I am most familiar with them, in the form of the 90%=A range, 80%=B Range, 70%=C Range. I view a 5 (50%) as an F. If a 5 is what I percieve as a failing grade, is there a real a need to go below that with a lot of regularity? The only way an individual might get pushed below a 5 is if they use really poor quality footage from questionable sources. I will subtract a full 2 points from a base score if there are pointless subtitles remaining in the AMV. I will subtract 1 point if there is a Cartoon Network or similar bug in the footage.

alternatefutures · Post by **alternatefutures** » Mon Jun 30, 2003 1:16 am

I decided to compare my average given with dwchang's. I'm a tough grader, aiming for that "5" average, dwchang says 7 is average because of statistics. Now, he does have the math correct, the question is, which one of us gets closer to the 7 average. Me or dwchang? (Just looking at overalls here folks)

My average given = 6.4
dwchang = 8.15

So, I'm 0.6 off, dwchang is off by 1.15 (almost twice as much). Victory for the 5 point aimed average! Anyone else wish to contribute data on the subject?

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Mon Jun 30, 2003 1:23 am

alternatefutures wrote:I decided to compare my average given with dwchang's. I'm a tough grader, aiming for that "5" average, dwchang says 7 is average because of statistics. Now, he does have the math correct, the question is, which one of us gets closer to the 7 average. Me or dwchang? (Just looking at overalls here folks)

My average given = 6.4
dwchang = 8.15

So, I'm 0.6 off, dwchang is off by 1.15 (almost twice as much). Victory for the 5 point aimed average! Anyone else wish to contribute data on the subject?

Uhm, your method is flawed. VERY much actually. Given, you can't look at the videos I have reviewed, but if you did, you'd see that the vast majority are pretty good videos and thus my scores were generally 9's and 10's.

So yeah, your results are far from scientific.