Where is our world going?

[kawasakinin]

I can't host my vids on ty even if I wanted to; copyright ;lljlajfelw.

[Kionon]

I've been telling the new kids to get off my lawn for at least four years now.

[Bauzi]

What does jewtube concern with this? Because of them we have MUCH MORE editors in the community and more awareness of "amvs".

... and what was the price for it? Quality gets less and quantity way more. Everybody should do the stuff they like, but at least there could be some improvement you know? Let's just say... the percentage of quality gets less and less.

I don't think it's doing a good thing to the hobby. Imagine all the people who are tired of the huge spam of amvs on the streaming sites. Imagine that: You search for a song or something else and you get flooded with crapy videos.

@TJ:
I like the new country specific amv sides. It's nice to have communities beside the org that are dedicated to amvs and video hosting.



So what could we do?

-Change the image of the org
Well we're a bunch of elitsts and meanies, right?

-Make the site more easier to use and to upload videos

-Make it more accessable:
Give everybody the right to download and stream-watch videos from the site regardless if they're a member or not. If they want to leave comments and stuff than they have to get a member. Maybe some more statistics in your public give more reasons to stay here? Like... Total amount of qucik-comments given and videos downloaded.

I think that's the main issue: You get almost nothing out of the org without membership.

-Advertising
I used to advertise smaller anime/amv sites in my videos. I could easily place an www.animemusicvideos.org hint into the video credits.

[Kionon]

I don't want to get nicer, I don't want to get more accessible, and I certainly don't want to advertise. I make a point to never include links to the org on anything I post to hosatchel. If anything, with the knowledge that the Org's original mission is impossible, we should be more inward looking.

But it's not as if anyone listens to my ramblings anyhow.

[MimS]

Discovered AMVing with AMV-France, never used YT : o.
However, I don't really see what is the problem with YT, particularly now knowing we can have an awesome video quality on it with HD option. Try this one for example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg5iHzCJyq8
Well, it doesn't change that I don't upload (myself) my videos on YT but it's not the point hehe

Now, my real problem is:
When I take a look to old videos, I feel like they're clearly better than all recent vids...
Is it me or are AMVS becoming less interesting than before?

[CodeZTM]

Ok... I've always thought of the org as a.... Not so much a country club. More like a trendy bar that only lets in certain people into bar behind the velvet rope.

I'll be the first to admit, people here aren't the nicest in the world. But then again, you also have to remember that as youtube as the center of the universe, shit = gold there. And when people come here, they get critisim, get all offended and run back to the tub and their precious five stars without any negative feedback.

My buddy Ryan came here in 2007, and posted a video he made with Fruits Basket. He'd been tubing for a while, and I said "come on onver and get some critisism!". Because he certainly wasn't getting it from the tube. Well, it got posted, it got critiqued [if I remember correctly, it was either from Kionon or some old member like that], and he quickly left the site.

I think that's the main hurdle that most people have with the site. The fact that its NOT the tube makes them frightened.

Here's the thing though, I don't want the org to become vastly popular like the tube. If we get 40000 people announcing videos on a daily basis and uploading the same amount, donator's fees are going to get ridiculous with the necessity of more and more hard drives for the server. ESPECIALLY if the majority of those files are crap.

Call it elitism, but I call it keeping a very tight-knit and thriving community together.

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That all being said, I watch a majority of videos on the tub. Why? Because my interests in AMV's are sometimes outside the realm of japan. A lot of good Avatar the Last Airbender videos, a lot of good TDI/TDA video and a ton of other non-anime animation videos can't get uploaded here. Also, the tube caters to needs outside of animated music videos [ intenitionally named it animated]. They have original music artists, video game walkthroughs, and other things that people in our realm like to enjoy. =D

So let's not get our panties in a wad because we're not the biggest thing. Especially when the tube provides other services outsided of the realm of AMV's.

I say we just enjoy the great site we have until it gets run into the ground/shutdown/whatevs.

[Nya-chan Production]

Hell.

[Vivaldi]

I'd really think opening up to the tube community would be the best thing to do. There's lots of editors there that are actually good, and more importantly there's even more editors there who have the potential to become good. People who like doing it enough to become really good, but simply don't have the enviroment or the people around them to make it so.

I originally came from the tube, my videos there were such shit I'd probably have been seen as the cancer killing amvs had anyone here seen them. But I liked doing them, I came here, got the help and atmosphere I needed to get better, but it took me forever to find the org in the first place. I can't see any reason to not get new blood except the extremely weak "quality before quantity" argument.

There's currently about 137K videos on the org. How much do you think you see? 1%? 2%? .5% At best most people see primarily what's posted in the forums, which coincidentally is usually posted by higher level or more invested editors, which may give some of you a bloated sense of self-worth. But look through the database sometime, we're full of shit. We're full of fansubs, interlacing shit quality, shit AR, shit effects, and shit editing. To shun new members because we're afraid of a "quality drop" is frankly ridiculous. Not only is that remark narrow minded, and indeed, quite arrogant, it's indicative of the problem that we seriously think they're "unworthy" of us. That's insane, that's stereotyping, that's discrimination, "elitist" doesn't mean anything around here anymore, the words become something of a joke, but it's really not; It's sickening.


The 2004-2006 era's often seen as some of the best years on the org, it also coincides with the years of higher membership. Even if the org's original goals now seem silly, the answer isn't to strangle ourselves out of existence, Our membership's dropping like flies, it's stupid and selfish to become isolationist now, that could only kill the site, gagging it on it's own lifeblood.

If the site's stated goals are impossible, we should change them to something along the lines of "the perseverance and continued growth of amvs", not turn our backs on amvs and become some kind of fan wanking social networking site. You're thinking about yourselves, ("well as long as I still get to talk to my buds around here I'm fine, it'd be nice to not deal with so many noobs to, lol") but there's more than the 20 people you talk to every day here, what about the thousands of active users? I'm sure they're feeling the slow suffocation of this site too, I can't see any reason willingly take steps to destroy this site based on self-righteous notions of superiority. We need to think about what's best for amvs and the community as a whole, not what suits our own interests. We need to ensure the future of the hooby, not give up and turn it over to a peer reviewed festering pool of a website.

[Nya-chan Production]

(I feel a little small in between those two huge walls'o'text)

[CodeZTM]

I'd really think opening up to the tube community would be the best thing to do. There's lots of editors there that are actually good, and more importantly there's even more editors there who have the potential to become good. People who like doing it enough to become really good, but simply don't have the enviroment or the people around them to make it so.

The only problem with that is that they DON'T want to come here. They DON'T want to improve. And when you try and help them improve, they fill your pm box and quick comment all your videos with hate mail [it's happened to me, and I'm sure it's happened to others].

But for the few that do want to get improved, and the ones that do try to make it into the community, there's really nothing stopping them from doing so. One that really pops out in my mind in Kenzichu. She started with rough videos, took the critism and is making relatively good videos now, and I at least think she's part of the community now. And we get new people like that a lot. I remember last year in Project Editor when Gotenks and saruto joined the MEP. I and the other members didn't shun them from the project. We let them in with open arms. I mean, it's not like members of the site are intentionally trying to stop new members. It's the new members that intentionally stop themselves.