The reason most of you have stopped making vids
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Editing always advances and people take more time to create videos now. Personally I'm taking my time making amv's. So if I only make 3 to 4 a year I'm cool with that. I've been working on my latest one since Nov. 2005. So its been 3 months now and I'm only half way finished. I see most of my videos taking about 3-4 months depending on college work and other stuff. Anyways alot of creators take their time now making their amv's the best to their ability.
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Arigatomina
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Blaming the 'ever-evolving standards' for the decline in videos is good in theory, but easily offensive to some people. You're not supposed to say this, no matter how obvious it may be.
Look at threads from two years ago and compare them to the ones today. The expectations regarding capture quality is to the point where everyone is thought to be at the same basic level if not better - just look at the last "how do you rate the categories" thread and count how many people consider 'capture quality' moot because even the noobs can do it perfectly (supposedly). Now tell me it doesn't take longer to get perfect (and expected, taken for granted) capture quality for every video. Just look at the decline in multi-anime videos in the last two years. Think it's because people don't like them anymore? No, the basic requirements to make an 'acceptable' video have risen to the point where it takes as long to gather and clean the footage as it does to edit the video. Anything less is substandard and hardly worth making, let alone watching.
That's just capture alone - the most obvious rise in standard. I'm hoping no one will be insulted if I say the basic standard for capture quality has risen and made a few (not you, don't be mad) less eager to take the extra days (or weeks) of preprocessing before doing a single bit of editing. To some people who make vids for fun, it's not fun to see something that used to take days to rip now take months to filter - and anything less is unnacceptable because *anyone* can rip a dvd and make it look perfect so long as the video is 70mbs or more. Want hard proof? Just look at file sizes - great new compressing abilities (experience), better familiarity with filters (mftoon ;p), and yet the average file size for a clean video is twice as big as it was for the same quality in 2003. Somehow I doubt the change is *just* because everyone in the world has broadband now.
Then you get the individuals. Yes, most people (not you, if you consider this an insult) improve as they make more videos. When you improve, it means you're surpassing your previous efforts. In other genres, this means it takes you less time to do the same quality of work. Here, it means it takes you much more time to do something just a little better (if that) and since you've surpassed the old work, you must make videos above it (continue making vids at the same mastered/familiar level and you're not showing improvement, and thus you suck). For the really great editors, this is even more of a burden - where do you go to surpass a project that took you a year to make? And how long do you think it'll take to make something better? Two years? That's a long time for people who have to live in the real world, especially those that support themselves (and possibly families) by working real hours at real jobs. I'm not saying these people only make videos to amaze the masses - some are out to impress themselves, and yes, an artist can be his own worst critic.
I think it's natural for 'seasoned editors' to decline with experience (and thus higher bars to jump over, whether they set those bars for themselves or have them set by their audience's expectations). That's one of the reasons the influx of new editors, however bemoaned by the critics, keep hobbies like this alive. You see the same thing in any healthy fandom. Heck, you see the same thing in the real world, too, with authors and producers. It's natural - nothing to get all insulted and defensive about.
Just because you quit when the bar gets so high you can barely see it anymore doesn't mean you're a wimp who gives up too easily. Maybe it means earning a living and feeding a family is a more important way to spend your time. This isn't like writing the next Harry Potter series that could possibly make millions. At some point you have to face the facts - if you're running yourself ragged to take part in a hobby, there's probably something more enjoyable to do with your time - and more rewarding, if you happen to like making money from your efforts. Just chalk it up as good experience at being dedicated and creative, and get on with your real life. There's nothing wrong with that.
And to those for whom this idea is insulting - no one said you will ever quit. You can keep making vids till your arthritis is so bad it takes you all day to type in the vid description. That's up to you.
Look at threads from two years ago and compare them to the ones today. The expectations regarding capture quality is to the point where everyone is thought to be at the same basic level if not better - just look at the last "how do you rate the categories" thread and count how many people consider 'capture quality' moot because even the noobs can do it perfectly (supposedly). Now tell me it doesn't take longer to get perfect (and expected, taken for granted) capture quality for every video. Just look at the decline in multi-anime videos in the last two years. Think it's because people don't like them anymore? No, the basic requirements to make an 'acceptable' video have risen to the point where it takes as long to gather and clean the footage as it does to edit the video. Anything less is substandard and hardly worth making, let alone watching.
That's just capture alone - the most obvious rise in standard. I'm hoping no one will be insulted if I say the basic standard for capture quality has risen and made a few (not you, don't be mad) less eager to take the extra days (or weeks) of preprocessing before doing a single bit of editing. To some people who make vids for fun, it's not fun to see something that used to take days to rip now take months to filter - and anything less is unnacceptable because *anyone* can rip a dvd and make it look perfect so long as the video is 70mbs or more. Want hard proof? Just look at file sizes - great new compressing abilities (experience), better familiarity with filters (mftoon ;p), and yet the average file size for a clean video is twice as big as it was for the same quality in 2003. Somehow I doubt the change is *just* because everyone in the world has broadband now.
Then you get the individuals. Yes, most people (not you, if you consider this an insult) improve as they make more videos. When you improve, it means you're surpassing your previous efforts. In other genres, this means it takes you less time to do the same quality of work. Here, it means it takes you much more time to do something just a little better (if that) and since you've surpassed the old work, you must make videos above it (continue making vids at the same mastered/familiar level and you're not showing improvement, and thus you suck). For the really great editors, this is even more of a burden - where do you go to surpass a project that took you a year to make? And how long do you think it'll take to make something better? Two years? That's a long time for people who have to live in the real world, especially those that support themselves (and possibly families) by working real hours at real jobs. I'm not saying these people only make videos to amaze the masses - some are out to impress themselves, and yes, an artist can be his own worst critic.
I think it's natural for 'seasoned editors' to decline with experience (and thus higher bars to jump over, whether they set those bars for themselves or have them set by their audience's expectations). That's one of the reasons the influx of new editors, however bemoaned by the critics, keep hobbies like this alive. You see the same thing in any healthy fandom. Heck, you see the same thing in the real world, too, with authors and producers. It's natural - nothing to get all insulted and defensive about.
Just because you quit when the bar gets so high you can barely see it anymore doesn't mean you're a wimp who gives up too easily. Maybe it means earning a living and feeding a family is a more important way to spend your time. This isn't like writing the next Harry Potter series that could possibly make millions. At some point you have to face the facts - if you're running yourself ragged to take part in a hobby, there's probably something more enjoyable to do with your time - and more rewarding, if you happen to like making money from your efforts. Just chalk it up as good experience at being dedicated and creative, and get on with your real life. There's nothing wrong with that.
And to those for whom this idea is insulting - no one said you will ever quit. You can keep making vids till your arthritis is so bad it takes you all day to type in the vid description. That's up to you.
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Does that also take increasing average resolution into account? Also, if that really is the case, then clearly the people making big (filesize-wise) videos are not taking full advantage of the "great new compressing abilities" (H.264, anyone?).Arigatomina wrote:Want hard proof? Just look at file sizes - great new compressing abilities (experience), better familiarity with filters (mftoon ;p), and yet the average file size for a clean video is twice as big as it was for the same quality in 2003.
Just two blanketed statements in case this is true:
1) There are AVISynth filters out there that can offer awesome compressibility gains without losing too many details; Deen is not the be-all and end-all of smoothing, a point I hope to make crystal clear as the spring goes on.
2) It's okay to give up a little visual quality to make your filesize reasonable (of course, if you've done your processing right, the quality shouldn't take that big of a hit). 2nd pass encodes are your FRIEND.
Wait, make that three:
3) COMPRESS YOUR AUDIO.
There, done.
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Sephiroth
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First a good number of us havent stopped making videos. People do grow out of things sometimes.
Personal reasons behind my release scedual.
1 my masters video burned me out for quite a good while and
2 i don't release videos till they are done.
This topic isn't even about that as the number of AMVs being uploaded only seems to be getting bigger. What you guys are talking about are video's by 'known' creators.
Wasn't the thing people did in this case was make more videos when they werent happy with things. That was the idea with why i started this hoby. So go and make said video and you'll have contributed to the less stopped making vid catagoery.
Personal reasons behind my release scedual.
1 my masters video burned me out for quite a good while and
2 i don't release videos till they are done.
This topic isn't even about that as the number of AMVs being uploaded only seems to be getting bigger. What you guys are talking about are video's by 'known' creators.
Wasn't the thing people did in this case was make more videos when they werent happy with things. That was the idea with why i started this hoby. So go and make said video and you'll have contributed to the less stopped making vid catagoery.
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