IRC is a detriment

requiett · Post by **requiett** » Fri May 13, 2005 8:12 am

1. I'm not saying these things or doing this because I was banned from #AMV. Get it through your heads. If I cared about IRC, I wouldn't have kept evading the ban. Anyone who's regulared IRC has heard me rant about how awful it is in there. I was evading ban to show the admins that their system is more flawed than it needs to be.

2. Since the admins were gracious enough to lock my previous thread, maybe because they didn't like what they were hearing... I'd like any input on why the primary room should be reverted to AIM.

Farlo · Post by **Farlo** » Fri May 13, 2005 8:20 am

if you want to use the aim chat, just do it, i see nothing stopping you.

requiett · Post by **requiett** » Fri May 13, 2005 8:22 am

I do use it. I'm in there as I write this.

Farlo · Post by **Farlo** » Fri May 13, 2005 8:26 am

DaCoolGohan · Post by **DaCoolGohan** » Fri May 13, 2005 8:51 am

Yeah I don't use IRC, because I don't know how and because I hate not being able to use profanity or fuck with n00bs, thats a problem for me. The whole fun of the chat is to fuck with people as much as possible.

bum · Post by **bum** » Fri May 13, 2005 11:22 am

Req, I'm not trying to be a dickhead, but here's a good piece of advice. Say sorry. Admit that your wrong. Be a man about it. Going off and bitching because you got banned for breaking the rules is only going to be more of a detriment to your status than it allready is.

AbsoluteDestiny · Post by **AbsoluteDestiny** » Fri May 13, 2005 11:45 am

Requiett, we hear you, we just don't see eye to eye on the issue. We think that a moderated chat room has a place on this site as we believe there should be a place where people can go, if they choose, and talk freely about music videos or whatever other interests they have without being harrassed by other members - which means a place where free-time discussion exists and can be moderated. That's what the irc chat is for and that is why we moderate it in this way.

Bum, let's not make this personal. This is just a criticism of IRC and doesn't have to involve mud-slingling at individuals.

paizuri · Post by **paizuri** » Fri May 13, 2005 12:24 pm

requiett wrote:1. I'm not saying these things or doing this because I was banned from #AMV. Get it through your heads. If I cared about IRC, I wouldn't have kept evading the ban. Anyone who's regulared IRC has heard me rant about how awful it is in there. I was evading ban to show the admins that their system is more flawed than it needs to be.

If you hate IRC so much, then state your point clearly. A long-winded allegorical story only muddles the issue.

You only made two claims as to why IRC sucks so much. One is that IRC killed all the interesting conversation. Well, how did it do that? Are there special commands like /endconversation or /killalltalking? Not to my recollection. Be more explicit.

The only concrete statement in that entire post is that new people unfamiliar with IRC seem to have a hard time getting into the chat room. And while that may be true, it is certainly no harder to figure out than, say, editing a video. Consider it the price of admission.

requiett wrote:2. Since the admins were gracious enough to lock my previous thread, maybe because they didn't like what they were hearing... I'd like any input on why the primary room should be reverted to AIM.

I am going to assume you meant why the primary room shouldn't be reverted to AIM. And the reason is because we have no control over it. Does this make us power-hungry fascists? Maybe. But MAYBE the entire site as a whole was being labelled unfairly because of the action of a few people in the AIM chat room and so we decided to find an alternative that we would be able to moderate. That alternative was IRC.

This solution works a lot better for us because if you disagree with the actions in the IRC chat room, it is clearly our fault and we can be blamed for it. In my mind, this is much better than having to sit around and take flak for what people who aren't even affiliated with a-m-v.org do to others in the chat room.

So to reiterate, if you specifically hate IRC so much and you really want to make a change for the better, then a) state your point clearly (instead of making long posts that don't even convey that stance) and b) give us alternatives. Otherwise you're just wasting people's time.

And no, saying you want the AIM chat room back is not a viable option. We have already tried that.

WarpedElements · Post by **WarpedElements** » Fri May 13, 2005 5:46 pm

I love how you can share music, and talk about downloading music, and sometimes anime subs, BUT OH NO! DON'T YOU DARE FUCKING MENTION WAREZ! HOLY SHIT! BIG TABOO!

And no porn, but occasionally hentai, BUT YOU BETTER NOT SWEAR!

Link all the tentacle porn you want, but you better not say "cunt".

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Fri May 13, 2005 9:20 pm

I avoid chatrooms, and when I do go into IRC, the only person typing is usually Trythil (oddly enough he's been one of the only active people on each of those rare occassions that I poke in for a looksee). And Derobert, last time. That was a lucky break. No one else posts. If there's any truth to the complaints given, I can see why.

/Problems and solutions, simplified

Problem: Management is biased, human, snarky, hypocritical. Aka - the chosen mods like their friends and behave strictly with the rest.

Solutions: Make written rules. Number the rules. Enforce the rules. Make the mods obey the rules, make their friends obey the rules, and (naturally) make everyone else obey the same rules. Don't change the rules or ignore the rules depending on who is posting. Don't ban without following the written rules and point to the written rules when enforcing a ban. Be specific. Be honest.
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Example: If distributing or encouraging people to distribute 'copywritten material that isn't an anime music video' is not allowed, don't let anyone do it. No music, no movies, no programs, nothing that is not an amv. That follows the site rules. The IRC rules should be identical.

Example 2: If bad language is not allowed, make a list of the 'naughty words' and ban those who knowingly use those words. Aka - first fault is a warning and a direction to "read the naughty word list and obey it" - second fault is banning. No exceptions, no making up new words because you don't like the person's attitude and you think he's using 'jerk' the same way other people use the word 'bastard.' Make the rule, enforce the rule, be consistent.

Example 3: If random posts are not allowed, outline what constitutes a random post (like we do for forum threads). Ban those who do it whether they're oldtime friends just being cute, or strangers/enemies who post without asking themselves if it'll annoy you. Make the standard, enforce the standard, be specific, be consistent, and don't play preferential treatment depending on who is doing it.

The biggest problem I've heard since the IRC started with hand-picked mods is that they play nice with their friends and smite those they don't like (because they can, because they were given the power to do so without answering for their actions - anyone who complains is automatically a whiner who should go find his own website).

Solution? Cut out the bias and moderate the moderators. Make them and their friends follow the same rules as everyone else. If they don't, give them the same punishment you give everyone else. We've managed to do that pretty consistently on the forum (despite the occassional thread about elitism in General AMV). I see no reason the same 'rulers' can't control the IRC the same way.

And hopefully we'll stop slapping the people who complain and start giving them the benefit of a listening first. If you'll notice, the people complaining now are saying almost the exact same thing as the last ones who brought up the problems with the IRC room. Maybe if we'd listened last time, we wouldn't be sitting here hearing it again.

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