AMV Essential Viewing

Sentient Satire · Post by **Sentient Satire** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 2:27 pm

After veiwing the fallout of http://www.animemusicvideos.org/phpBB/v ... hp?t=41623...
It gave me the muster to post about this passing thought I had last month.

Would it be prudent to have a link to something I have entitled:
"AMV Essential Viewing"? That way, however large the listing, it can show new people to the community, or AMVs as a whole, the high exposure videos that have become synonymous with the term AMV. It wouldn't really be an endorsement for the videos on the list persay, my original idea was that it could show an aspiring creator good examples of technical and asthetic elements that work, and help them find their own creative voice.

And hopefully we could deter more of the same threads like the aforementioned one before the third reply, by kindly redirecting them to this.

Perhaps this isn't a good idea, or it may have been considered earlier. Awaiting feedback...

Bulghod · Post by **Bulghod** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 2:42 pm

AMV Hell That's just nuts
Tainted Donuts It doesn't matter if you like those anime(s), just seeing how they work together id enough
Evangelion Opus
Any of the DDR projects, whether or not you like it, since they have become almost a given base or part of this group.
Lollipops, Sunshine and rrrRRRRrrr It's SO wrong
Vamp Techno because i made it.

ok that last one wasn't for real, just me whoring my vid. but the rest i seriously think are essential, or at least basic.

AbsoluteDestiny · Post by **AbsoluteDestiny** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 2:45 pm

Hello Subjectivity, I'd like you to meet my friend Harsh Criticism.

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 2:50 pm

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:Hello Subjectivity, I'd like you to meet my friend Harsh Criticism.

That's rather true.

But isn't 'Phade's Required Viewing' list still there? I mean, if it's listed in the opinion form, perhaps it might make sense to have '<whoever>'s required viewing list' which is actually up-to-date put in there instead. So long as it's denoted as being subjective, I see no problem with it. I mean, better than a list that is over 3 years old

Bulghod · Post by **Bulghod** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 2:57 pm

well, if there is going to be an "essential AMV" list, it should be something made by the individual editor. like what's created their own style or what they think is a basis of understanding.

Kalium · Post by **Kalium** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 3:02 pm

Hasn't this been discussed before?

I believe the result was that the "Essestial Viewing" list is an admins perogative.

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 3:05 pm

Kalium wrote:Hasn't this been discussed before?

I believe the result was that the "Essestial Viewing" list is an admins perogative.

I recall that, yea. But nothing really came out of it.

I, frankly, would like to see an update/replacement to Phade's list since while the videos on there haven't lost any value over the years, the scene has really changed enough to warrant some changes to what should be on a list that is linked to the official op form

Sentient Satire · Post by **Sentient Satire** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 3:11 pm

Otohiko wrote:
AbsoluteDestiny wrote:Hello Subjectivity, I'd like you to meet my friend Harsh Criticism.

That's rather true.

Subjectivity goes without saying.
Fortunately, that is the exact reason I dismissed it so readily earlier...
But there are many avoidable exchanges being echoed every so often.
I was hoping if the idea was in the remote realm of salvagablity it would be fine tuned here. Otohiko once again strikes a sensible chord with "So long as it's denoted as being subjective, ..."

Updating it would require taves over extended periods, and that was another detractor. The Mods and Admin shouldn't have to shoulder such a burden. They have enough to stress over as it is.

I was thinking a domain-wide peer submission. Something to the effect of:
"Demonstrating _______ facet (good synching,good compression techniques, etc.) x users have rated this #1" and so on with the heirarchy of results.

Easy to propose, lofty to achieve, however. Even so... this could potentially kill many birds with one stone.

AbsoluteDestiny · Post by **AbsoluteDestiny** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 3:14 pm

Phade's recommended viewing is Phade's.

I once tried to come up with my own list... but it ended up being really long and resembling a lot of the top 10 lists already on the site.

I might try again.

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 3:44 pm

At the risk of starting a big mess, you might try something like the VCA's - the idea of having members (the mass majority) point out the 'best' at certain aspects. Then no single person would get the blame for having picked those particular vids as the 'best'.

The categories would be where it gets difficult. Right now someone who knows about amvs (aka - anyone but the newbies who really need it) can go through the Top 10 list and find the 'best' for individual categories. A filter on this option, something automatically updated just like the original list, would let new members see what stands as the org's best representation of...'Capture Quality' or 'Effects'. You could even have a table that breaks the vids into categories like 'Best Effects in a Comedy Vid' that would simply take the top rated vid from the top 10 filtering list and place it where new members can see it without searching.

This would use the Top 10 filtering method, yes. And it would do what anyone can do already (if they know how), yes. But it would also combine the 'best' vids out of different genres (comedy/romance/drama/action) and sort them according to what they excell at (effects/sync/capture/reviewable) and place it in a single list where every new member can see - right from the start - what stands as the best for the different categories amvs are sorted by on the org. And with the new list taking the videos right from the Top 10 filtering system, it would be automatically updated, and as unbiased as the top 10 itself.

Then it would just be a matter of what categories are most important when it comes to educating new members - is it the technical excellence (aka, being able to encode a vid with high quality), is it the artistic glitter (aka, effects of any kind), is it hitting beats (aka, action sync), or is it making people come back again (aka, reviewable).

You might not want to use all the options (like overall - it's similar enough to reviewable in that it's mostly a "do I like it" score). But sorting vids and making a list of the "Best Effects", "Most Original Comedy", "Most Rewatchable Action", etc - that is like having a required viewing list that covers *all* the bests - one vid for each subject - and *never* has to be updated since it does it automatically. Not to mention then you don't have complaints that one person's opinions on what's best doesn't fit yours - it's not one person's opinion, it's the mass majority giving reviews on this site.

I don't know much about web programming, but I know you can plug results into a spreadsheet with just a few commands - taking filtered results from the top 10 (the number 1 spot for each of the search options) and placing them in a new list doesn't sound that complicated (at least far from impossible - time consuming would be a given).