should noobs wait longer??

Bebop0083 · Post by **Bebop0083** » Mon Oct 13, 2003 8:04 pm

after seeing countless of disapointing vids mainly from the new vid on the block. i got thinking should noobs have to wait longer then two weeks. plus half of the people that upload them dont even post in the forums. though the noobs that just want to download vids should either wait the same amount of time that is now or shorter. i was thinking that noobs should wait a year but thats a little too harsh. but it would save us the time of viewing crappy vids. no offense to the creators im mainly talking about the constant dbz vids that appear every hour and i can guess what song and anime without even looking at the video profile. i was also thinking that noobs should have a certain number of post count before they can upload them. the post count can range from 100-1000 if neccessary. plus having them post would make them an active member on the org instead of all those useless boring ones that dont do any thing but i do understand of needing an account to download. also if you reach a ceratin post count for example you reach 100 thus you can upload 1 video. make 200 hundred post you can upload the second vid. etc.... im mainly talking about noobs that upload vids and dont visit the forums. this wouldnt effect members that were here before the org started hosting and maybe even early 2003 members that have over 100 post. maybe we can come up with a way so we can limit dbz vids since there is over a thousand of them. like for example you have to be a member for some time until you can upload your dbz vids. you can add your suggestions to that as well. id really like to limit the dbz vids since thers so many of them. yes even though i make them too i make at least decent ones. so tell me what you think of this idea. though it wont really go through so noobs should be glad. im not trying to be harsh or any thing or disrespectful but its my opinion.

madmag9999 · Post by **madmag9999** » Mon Oct 13, 2003 9:53 pm

eh its an ok idea i guess. the part were the most count affects the number of vids u can upload is a very good idea. also i think that u should only be able to upload like say 4 vids unless you pay. this would limit the number of crappy vids on the org. i dont think its a good idea to stop or limit the amout of dbz vids even though i hate the anime some ppl really like it and it would not be fair for them. but i think that 100 posts should give you one space for a vid then 200 two spaces and so on untill you reach 400 posts then you have four spaces and unless you pay thats all you get. i think it would be a good idea also for the owner of the vids to be able to change them. so if they have all four spaces filled and they want to upload a new one without paying they would have to take one of the older ones out.

J-0080 · Post by **J-0080** » Mon Oct 13, 2003 9:55 pm

Hey,

Forcing people to have a certian postcount doesn't seem so great. If anything it would probably just increase the amount of forum spam.

A year seems far to long to force someone to wait, in fact the present waiting period, for all appearences, seems fair. Besides even if you force someone to wait longer it gives no guarentee that they'll produce better quality AMVs.

J-0080.

Bebop0083 · Post by **Bebop0083** » Mon Oct 13, 2003 9:59 pm

i agree with you on the spam part but that would mean the mods have more work. spaming is a way of cheating to get more post counts thus why half of them are deleted. cough:: WOT:::: cough.

downwithpants · Post by **downwithpants** » Mon Oct 13, 2003 11:13 pm

Bebop0083 wrote:after seeing countless of disapointing vids mainly from the new vid on the block. i got thinking should noobs have to wait longer then two weeks. plus half of the people that upload them dont even post in the forums. though the noobs that just want to download vids should either wait the same amount of time that is now or shorter. i was thinking that noobs should wait a year but thats a little too harsh. but it would save us the time of viewing crappy vids. no offense to the creators im mainly talking about the constant dbz vids that appear every hour and i can guess what song and anime without even looking at the video profile.

first, there will always be crappy videos. without a bad, there is no good. Suppose we got rid of the worst 10% videos. the next worst 9% videos would become the new worst 10% videos and we would be complaining about them.

second, it seems to me the purpose of the org is to encourage and foster amv editing. it's quite hard for new amv editors who can't afford to pay for storage space to find a place to host their videos. forcing amv editors to wait for a long period of time increases the likelihood they'll forget about this site and never log on again, adding to the already large list of accounts that were logged on once 15 minutes after joining but never again.

Bebop0083 wrote:i was also thinking that noobs should have a certain number of post count before they can upload them. the post count can range from 100-1000 if neccessary. plus having them post would make them an active member on the org instead of all those useless boring ones that dont do any thing but i do understand of needing an account to download. also if you reach a ceratin post count for example you reach 100 thus you can upload 1 video. make 200 hundred post you can upload the second vid. etc.... im mainly talking about noobs that upload vids and dont visit the forums. this wouldnt effect members that were here before the org started hosting and maybe even early 2003 members that have over 100 post.

i agree with j-0080 on this one. this will either create a bunch of spam and crowd the forums, or it will discourage the editors from creating amvs or even visiting the org.

Bebop0083 wrote:maybe we can come up with a way so we can limit dbz vids since there is over a thousand of them. like for example you have to be a member for some time until you can upload your dbz vids. you can add your suggestions to that as well. id really like to limit the dbz vids since thers so many of them. yes even though i make them too i make at least decent ones. so tell me what you think of this idea. though it wont really go through so noobs should be glad. im not trying to be harsh or any thing or disrespectful but its my opinion.

this is rather biased against dbz videos. there could be someone who's made some great dbz videos but never joined the org. it'd be a shame to prevent those videos from being uploaded for a long time. i think the fact that people usually give lower originality scores to dbz videos is enough to discourage gratuitous dbz videos.

all said, i understand your concerns and i think you bring up a good case for discussion: how to reduce the number of crappy newb/overdone videos on the golden donut.

my proposal would be that creators must receive at least 1 opinion (not from themselves) before they can begin uploading videos. If they cant store their vids online, they can at least go to op exchange, find someone willing to give an opinion, then transfer them over mirc or aim (or in the worst case, mail a burned CD.) The problem now is that the creators might get their friends to create an account and give their opinions. so to resolve this problem, i say the opinion giver must have been a member of the org for at least a month.

Bebop0083 · Post by **Bebop0083** » Mon Oct 13, 2003 11:44 pm

i like your last idea downwithpants and as for the dbz vids im just saying we should at least limit them. not get rid of them completly. cause i have seen some really good dbz vids myself.

kthulhu · Post by **kthulhu** » Tue Oct 14, 2003 3:15 am

Maybe we could limit the number of uploaded DBZ videos every day, in the site code? Set it to some reasonable number, like, say, zero.

turboneko · Post by **turboneko** » Tue Oct 14, 2003 8:02 am

Crappy videos will be made no matter what, you can't simply stop them. Although it's statistically interesting to note how many crappy videos are done with DBZ

About linking the # of uploads to the post count, I believe it's wrong and won't make any good. People will just go an spam the forums to be able to upload another video. Moreover, I've got a post count under 300: am I a n00b?

OMG!!!11one!!11!

The only real way to limit the rampaging of new crappy videos is to make uploads available to donator only (as I proposed in another thread): the donation level should be fixed to a reasonable amount, even though I think that just $1 will be enough to filter most of the crap.

Just my .02$ in...

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Tue Oct 14, 2003 11:12 am

While I do like the idea of mandatory donations (in theory), it really does go against the org as a whole - the point is to give people a free place to host their videos. If you charge per vid or per creator, it's just another hosting service you pay for - cheaper dues, but still the same principle - they'd only be paying for the space. As it is, donations go toward the site as a whole. Sure, you can pay because you're getting your videos hosted and you think you owe it to Phade to give money in return, but that's not the reason for donations - it's to help the entire site. It's voluntary, it's the right thing to do in return for the favor you're getting. Make it mandatory and it's just another bill to pay in return for the hosting service.

As for the post counts - the forum shouldn't reflect a video maker's upload status at all. Are you saying you have to come *here* and post in this forum in order to be a member of the site? I've seen excellent videos made by people who don't want to come to this forum, and forcing them to is just wrong - I can't think of a pretty way to put it. If they don't want to talk to the people around here, why force them to just so they can upload their videos? The one has nothing to do with the other. You can be an active participating member just by logging into the main member page and reviewing videos (though it doesn't count for much - not like 'post count' and all) - the number of posts you make doesn't mean anything except that you like to talk a lot. It doesn't reflect how good or bad your videos are, it doesn't have anything to do with your videos at all.

As far as I'm concerned, the forum is just a place for the members to get together - if they *choose* to. Forcing people to come here and post...I don't see the point in that. They could post anything, and if they're being forced to post I seriously doubt it's going to be anything useful.

Want to get rid of bad vids? Tear them apart honestly, crush the editor's spirit telling him exactly how horrible the vid is by pointing out every single mistake. Then go back to your own and pretend they're perfect. At worst, the creators will boycot the place or stop reading their opinions. At best, they'll give up altogether and only the top 10 videos will be left.

Bebop0083 · Post by **Bebop0083** » Tue Oct 14, 2003 2:08 pm

you express some good points there Arigatomyna but in order to keep the site going for hosting vids it requires money which why Phade has the option to donate cause i dont think he can make it on his own entirely. unless he's really rich. but there have been complaints about a lot of accounts not being used as much or not at all in the past.

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