Scoring guidelines

WilLoW :--) · Post by **WilLoW :--)** » Thu Aug 01, 2002 8:27 am

I can see that on the average marks given on the website, the "review" average mark is lower (and more fair) than the others.

In my opinion, the reason is simple: it's because of the tooltiptexts (how do you call these small boxes?) that appear in the "reviewable" section,
when you submit an opinion for a video...
They help to give a fair mark...

When will there be such helpful textboxes for the other sections? It would help to lower the average marks given here.

Yes, I know that us AMV creator don't care about the mark, only the opinion is important, blabla... but I really think that such a thing would be helpful when reviewing a video.

AbsoluteDestiny · Post by **AbsoluteDestiny** » Thu Aug 01, 2002 9:07 am

We already have a page on what all the topics are about and how they should be judged. On top of that there is a guide to leaving opinions.

What more do you want?

WilLoW :--) · Post by **WilLoW :--)** » Thu Aug 01, 2002 9:15 am

I'd love Something EXPLICIT that you don't have to LOOK FOR, like the tooltiptexts that appear in the line "reviewable"

I think I'm not the only one who need this, if you look the average marks, as I said earlier.
I know that there are guides, and I already read them, but the small hints are Sooooo useful...

AbsoluteDestiny · Post by **AbsoluteDestiny** » Thu Aug 01, 2002 9:32 am

High average marks come from people who only review videos they like and dont have anything negative to say about them. You'll notice that good videos get the most reviews.

What we want on the site is for people to leave proper detailed reviews. You know, people that would take time to read the guide to leaving opinions and have something worthwhile to say rather than picking from a list of suondbytes that fit what they thought of the vid.

Basically the scores really dont matter to anyone who actually cares about their videos - what's imoprtant is what is said.

I appreciate that to have a guideline may be a good thing but when it comes down to it if someone doesnt know what to put in an opinion then they havent read the guide and their opinion isn't going to be of much use to the creator.

I know where you are coming from with your argument but I'd prefer reviews from people who can think for themselves and give reason for why something is or isnt a good video. Tooltips don't really encourage this and I dont think they'd change the average mark any simply because lots of people only review videos they like.

WilLoW :--) · Post by **WilLoW :--)** » Thu Aug 01, 2002 9:41 am

I was certain that when posting this topic, someone here would reply as you do.

I totally agree with what you say, I just thought that this would be a tip when one gives marks and I realised today that I really rely on the tooltiptexts when it comes to giving a mark for the "reviewable" section.

But hey, never mind, forget what i've said.
I already know that the mark doesn't matter, it was only a small suggestion

PS: what is that "I know where you come from ..." expression ? As a french -with poor english vocabulary - person I'm not sure how to understand this

Whatever thanks for your replies!

AbsoluteDestiny · Post by **AbsoluteDestiny** » Thu Aug 01, 2002 9:48 am

Yeah, sorry to be so antagonistic about it - I just dont see it making the review system any better.

"I know where you are coming from" means I understand what you are saying and why you are saying it. I agree that it wouldn't be a bad thing in theory if all the scores had tooltips but I think in practice it wouldn't make more people give useful reviews.

I like the way it is now as it gives people the chance to write why they gave a particular score - which they wouldnt have to do if the tooltips were present for all categories. It's the kind of thing that would only *really* be useful for people who dont want to think a lot about why they think a video is good/bad in each category.

WilLoW :--) · Post by **WilLoW :--)** » Wed Aug 07, 2002 6:47 am

I read ZeWrestler and Iserlohn's scoring guidelines again, and think something is missing: what can a poor french guy (who has difficulties to put in English what he thinks in french ) do to make a Good review???

It's really hard for me to write more than 5 interesting lines when I submit an opinion, because I don't know how to express all the feelings that I have when watching a video...
Does it mean that I write bad reviews???

sob....

ShonenDizzyCow · Post by **ShonenDizzyCow** » Wed Aug 07, 2002 7:00 am

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:You'll notice that good videos get the most reviews.

Here's a more accurate way of repharasing it, 'Videos who win awards in major conventions' gets the most reviews.

priuscomet · Post by **priuscomet** » Thu Aug 08, 2002 2:09 am

i agree...

the tooltiptext boxes are great and they do seem to straigten out the scoring margin amongst the opinionators. possibly give n00b's an idea of how to score and also a straight edge for those who have scored for a while and usually change their scoring techniques.

turboneko · Post by **turboneko** » Thu Aug 08, 2002 8:38 am

WilLoW :--) wrote: read ZeWrestler and Iserlohn's scoring guidelines again, and think something is missing: what can a poor french guy (who has difficulties to put in English what he thinks in french ) do to make a Good review???

Well, your english doesn't seem worse than mine (and I'm italian

) but I am on the useful commenters list. Hmmm... well... let's say I used to be a useful commenter... I haven't written a review in months

Writing short reviews isn't bad though... there is quite a number of people who write very concise yet useful comments. Try to concentrate on what you think is really outstanding and what in your opinion can be improved in the video... words will come eventually

About the tooltips... well, I have to agree with AbsoluteDestiny on this one. If you give too many guidelines then people will be somehow driven to follow them, and this will end up in a general impoverishment of the review's quality IMHO. I think that the system works fine as it is now... you are not going to get many opinions, but their quality is generally above average.

Just my .02$...