JaddziaDax wrote:my question is how would all this be moderated and how would you keep things being posted in the "correct place"?
This is a valid question. To be honest, I'm not entirely sure how the moderation and such would work yet, but this is why I brought it up for discussion.
BasharOfTheAges wrote: Sure there's resentment, but it's not unfounded.
Sure, the resentment isn't unfounded, but I think it's blinding many veteran editors to the fact that not all newbies are the same. When they see certain mistakes, they're often much more rude or harsh than they need to be, which in turn scares of people that may have had some potential, if only they had known what to avoid.
BasharOfTheAges wrote:You're ignoring basic social dynamics here... the people that honestly do want to learn will learn - many of us did. And it's now easier and more spoon-fed than it was in years past. Just because people are getting more and more lazy as time goes on doesn't mean standards should be lowered. That's called enabling - not saying i give a shit about their psychological well being, but it upsets the social dynamic.
Announcements? It should be quite clear by lurking that if you don't have something worth announcing don't do it. And by reading other announcements and seeing what people have said in reaction to other poor attempts one should gain insights into what is expected.
As for other video help threads - It's not so much that we have to post the same damn banners and pictures over and over again that gets people pissed off, it's the fact that similarly titled threads with the same exact problems take up at least half of every page. Teaching people to fucking read or search before they ask a question is proper forum etiquette. If they don't do it they're being rude to us.
I would hardly call it pandering. Pandering would be telling newbies that making the same mistakes over and over again is ok, because they tried, right? What I'm proposing is a better way for people to learn that improves our community in the process. It may be considered "etiquette" by some to expect new people to read all the stickies, lurk in the announcements, and read the guides so they can somehow know what to do, we are in effect sending them on a treasure-hunt for the knowledge they need. If, say, in school, on the first day the teacher announced that s/he had placed the textbooks, school supplies, and homework assignment (which, by the way, if you missed a question on, you would get a D) around the school and you had to go find them, it would sound insane; but this is essentially what we are doing. We have to face the fact that it is ineffective, and it is changing nothing. Just because some few people do make it through this proccess doesn't change the fact that many more could. Essentially, we are bitching about all these crappy videos, but we are doing very little to change it. It's not just up to other people to make things better; if we want our community and the videos coming into it to change for the better, we're going to have to take some action ourselves, and this means working with people, not alienating them with our elitist attitudes.
