Bad reviewers

OzzieAlThor79 · Post by **OzzieAlThor79** » Thu Mar 24, 2005 4:44 pm

Remember I said 250 "characters" not words. 250 letters, spaces, etc.

It's also just an idea. I don't think it would be hard to hit that amount.

This post alone is around 150 characters would it be so hard to do a few more when talking about an AMV?

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Thu Mar 24, 2005 4:57 pm

A video doesn't rise or fall if you delete *all* the outliers. You can delete the highest or the lowest (delete = make invisible to the scoring system), but after that it's those outliers that make the vid increase or decrease in rank. If you keep deleting them, the video would never change from that 'average' score.

I dislike this idea. The original suggestion was being allowed to delete very short reviews (with no explanations) and very long reviews (with lots of explanation). That's as good as asking to be able to delete any review if you don't like it, whether you dislike it for being short and useless, or for being longwinded and opinionated.

Give people an option to 'block all reviews'. Then they won't have to worry about getting opinions they don't like. They won't have to get any.

Flames are deleted upon request, so as long as we have the mods drop box, we don't need a "report this review" button. It would be quicker for the people reporting them, but it's only an extra minute to go to the forum and make a post about it.

The system ignores the highest and lowest review for each video when calculating the score - settling that "outlier" problem. If you get a bunch of 'outliers' then they aren't outliers anymore - they form a legitimate pattern.

Deleting up to 10 reviews per video, when most videos get under 8 reviews, seems outrageous. For the system it would be as bad as everyone being allowed to give themselves ten 'all 10s' reviews per video to weight the score. If you want to 'fix' the score, you might as well add your own good reviews, instead of cutting out the ones you don't like. It would have the same 'untrue' result.

A word minimum...it's nice in theory, but it won't stop the flamers. It'll stop the lazy ones who like your video (hurting you and other good vids), but it won't stop the malicious reviewers. At most, I'd say make this a limit set by the creator of the video. If someone thinks any reviews under 300 words is a bad one, let him block reviews under that number of words. The flamers can still copy and paste, but he won't have to sit through those evil 3 word "I love this" reviews.

Me, I'd set up a 4 word minimum so I can still read those "I like the ____." reviews. But I consider feedback a gift, so I'm not that picky. ^_^;

2 2 5 · Post by **2 2 5** » Thu Mar 24, 2005 5:02 pm

First, just because people leave incredibly short reviews dose not mean they are "lazy". Some people are just plain horrible at writing and it seems unfair to disregard their opinion because they cannot accuratly explain in word why their opinion is what it is.
Secondly the idea about being able to delete opinions that are above or below the adverage is redundent, seeing as your videos rank is formed from your adverage anyway, deleting them would not affect anything.

OzzieAlThor79 · Post by **OzzieAlThor79** » Thu Mar 24, 2005 5:20 pm

The purpose of asking people to give opinions is to get 2 things.

1. To know wether the public and your peers likes your video and in general.

AND

2.To know what can be fixed; general tone, technical flaws, editing, etc.

To ask people to post 250 characters is not asking too much. This entire post is exactly 387 characters.

Not that hard for anyone to do..

Malificus · Post by **Malificus** » Thu Mar 24, 2005 5:29 pm

An odd note, I noticed that everyone who supported a 250 word minimum (while that what was everyone was thinking), had a usefulness of less than 180, while the people against it had at least 250.

And on topic, no, 250 characters isn't much, but some people merely don't know how to say what they want to, or exactly how to give lengthy reviews. (I'm just starting to go for bigger reviews now

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OzzieAlThor79 · Post by **OzzieAlThor79** » Thu Mar 24, 2005 5:45 pm

Then why leave a review is what I wonder.

Can't you just give it a 4 or 5 star rating (if you like it enough to review it) and move on?

Opinions are there to praise and give pointers.

OzzieAlThor79 · Post by **OzzieAlThor79** » Thu Mar 24, 2005 5:46 pm

Addition: Praise, give pointers and rip if it's terrible.

kain2983 · Post by **kain2983** » Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:52 pm

The point for someone to leave a short review is to show that they care because if all you do is give someone a 4 or a 5 then they have no idea who gave it to them but if you stop and take the time to write a opinion even as short as three words then they will at least know who gave them this score.

So I understand why people will do it for the good opinions but what I don't understand is why people take the time to write bad opinions but don't take the time to figure out why they don't like the video.

Another thing the first time that I every gave a opinion I think it was only about 20 words long. Because at the time I didn't really understand how to give pointers to people or how to talk about the parts of the video that I enjoyed. This was kinda short lived in my case because I had traded ops with someone and after seeing the way they did it I kinda adopted their methods. But I can see how people can be confused on what they are supposed to write it. This os why I do not agree with the 250 word minimum because it would make it harder for people when they just start giving out ops.

godix · Post by **godix** » Fri Mar 25, 2005 5:52 pm

Why is it that every idea to 'fix' the opinion system focuses on low rated or bad (another way of saying low rated) reviews and no one every seems to propose an idea to get rid of all 10 ops that just say 'I liked it'?

pen-pen2002 · Post by **pen-pen2002** » Fri Mar 25, 2005 6:03 pm

It would certainly encourage people to put more thought into oppinions, which is the real problem.

At first I thought it would be a problem for the (few, but important) people who give large numbers of oppinions but I think they care enough that they write at least a decent amount. The people who don't write hardly anything are fanboys/fangirls who don't have any experience watching AMVs and tend to give all 10's. (I wonder what Euphoria's average op length is...?)

Overall I think it would help new users understand that the important part is the text, not the score. I think it would be a good thing, but only if the minimum were kept low. (A high minimum would be great for creators but would compromise the spirit of the free review system.)