new video category?

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 4:57 am

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:"Fun" is what some contests call "upbeat" - a kind of video which isn't strictly a comedy or an action but uses fun footage to upbeat music.

"Stop the Rock" is "fun".

It is a genre of music video.

So how is this any different from having 'angst' is what some would call 'downbeat' - a kind of video which isn't strictly serious or an action but uses angsty footage to angsty music?

As for it not being a genre - it is in films.

Do a google search of 'angst genre' and half the results aren't even fiction-based, they're movie reports.
http://www.culturedose.net/review.php?rid=10003945

Igby Goes Down is a filmic gem that slyly reinvents the
teen angst genre without purposefully doing so.

So I won't belive it isn't a genre. Just say it isn't an amv genre, that would be fine. It's still a genre everywhere else that apposes (opposites) the 'fun/comedy' genres.

/not arguing with your rules, just with the 'angst isn't a genre' statement ^.~

AbsoluteDestiny · Post by **AbsoluteDestiny** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 4:59 am

Angst is not a mood of the video, it's a property of a person or character's emotions... Character Profile.

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 5:11 am

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:Angst is not a mood of the video, it's a property of a person or character's emotions... Character Profile.

What is a fun video? A video in which the characters are feeling 'fun' or one that makes the viewer enjoy himself and have fun? It may be the former, but you call it a 'fun' video because of the latter. A video that makes you cry when you watch it is not a fun video, and it's not just a character profile, it's something that makes you feel bad. It might make you feel bad because the characters feel bad (just like a fun vid might make you have fun because the characters are having fun). But what you feel determines whether or not it's a 'fun' video or an 'angsty' video. It's the same as comedy - it might make you laugh because the characters are laughing, but it isn't automatically a 'character profile' just because it's about characters who laugh. It's a 'comedy' video because it makes the viewer laugh. An angst video isn't just something where the characters feel bad, it's something that reflects that angst onto the viewer. A Grave of the Fireflies video that leaves the viewer in tears isn't just a character profile because the characters felt bad, it's an angst video because the viewer felt bad. It's the same as horror videos - we might consider anything with bloodshed to be horror, but if it doesn't reflect an emotion of 'horror' on the viewer, it's just an action/drama video.

But I won't argue anymore. ^_^ I'll just take it as a 'no.' That'll shut me up quicker than getting my debating spirit all rarin' to go. ;p

AbsoluteDestiny · Post by **AbsoluteDestiny** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 5:14 am

Arigatomyna wrote:What is a fun video?

I already told you what FUN mean't as an amv genre. You don't seem to be listening.

Angst may be a fiction genre, but so is Sci-fi - should we have a sci-fi category?

What about other movie genres? Western? Film Noir? Exploitation?

If you want something to indicate the depressing nature of dramatic content we have a "Serious" option.

Whilse personally I don't see "serious" as being a category for a video it does do exactly what you want it to. A "serious" drama/romance would meet your requiements.

Why have a category that says "this will make you cry" - it kinda gives away the ending doesn't it?

AbsoluteDestiny · Post by **AbsoluteDestiny** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 5:15 am

Also, you seem to misinterpret what angst means. It does not mean "feel sad"

AbsoluteDestiny · Post by **AbsoluteDestiny** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 5:22 am

OK let me explain what my actual specific objections to the request are.

Angst is a unspecified feeling of anxiety. "Teen angst" movies are about anxious teenagers who don't knwo why they feel the way they do and lash out against society etc - see "Rebel Without a Cause".

A music video which had an "angst" genre woud be a Character Profile.

For a viewer to *feel* angst having watched a music video would make no sense. Angst is defined by being unspecific. If they felt that way, it's likely that they were feeling that way before.

What you want is some kind of singifier that a video is designed to make you feel sad. For this we have the "serious" option. An angst option would be too specific for character profile and make no sense in terms of how a viewer should feel.

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 5:26 am

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:I already told you what FUN mean't as an amv genre. You don't seem to be listening.

Now, now, I was listening. You said:

"Fun" is what some contests call "upbeat" - a kind of video which isn't strictly a comedy or an action but uses fun footage to upbeat music.

Meaning it's a fun video only because it shows 'fun' footage. But you countered that when you said angst couldn't be a genre because an angsty video showing 'angsty' footage is just a character profile. You're making it into an apple/orange thing instead of a matter of opposites. You're implying that that 'upbeat' is a legitimate genre while something that is the opposite isn't. But you never explained why - if upbeat = fun, and that's fine, then why isn't downbeat = not fun just as legitimate?

Angst may be a fiction genre, but so is Sci-fi - should we have a sci-fi category?
What about other movie genres? Western? Film Noir? Exploitation?

Now you're talking apple/oranges. Fun is the opposite of not-fun. Fun is not the opposite of sci-fi. I never asked for sci-fi, I asked for the opposite of fun.

If you want something to indicate the depressing nature of dramatic content we have a "Serious" option.

Ah, but 'serious' is here to counter the 'comedy' category. If it isn't a joke, what is it? Serious. And if it isn't a serious video, what is it? A joke.

Whilse personally I don't see "serious" as being a category for a video it does do exactly what you want it to. A "serious" drama/romance would meet your requiements.

Yeah, I thought that would work until I actually tried looking for videos using those two categories. Serious is one of the most rarely used categories out here when it comes to matching it with romance - you find more horror vids than serious/romance vids. And I've watched more than enough angsty romance videos to know people are not considering 'serious' to equate with angsty.

Why have a category that says "this will make you cry" - it kinda gives away the ending doesn't it?

Heh, you got me there. I like spoilers, and I hate watching videos that make me cry, so I'd love to have that sort of warning instead of having to boycott certain anime because I accidentally found a vid for it that was horridly angsty with no angst warning. ^_^;; It's like downloading a romance vid and getting a dose of hentai - warn me, people, warn me first.

AbsoluteDestiny · Post by **AbsoluteDestiny** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 5:28 am

OK, now read my second post about what angst means and tell me if it does what you want it to.

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 5:30 am

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:For a viewer to *feel* angst having watched a music video would make no sense. Angst is defined by being unspecific. If they felt that way, it's likely that they were feeling that way before.

What you want is some kind of singifier that a video is designed to make you feel sad. For this we have the "serious" option. An angst option would be too specific for character profile and make no sense in terms of how a viewer should feel.

I think I get what you're saying. I'll leave you be. This place is like being in a foriegn country at times, and this is one of those times for me. Angst makes no sense in terms of how a person would feel watching a video? I need to climb out of the rabbit hole here. Next you'll be telling me comedy doesn't mean a viewer is in a good, laughing mood after watching it. ~_~

AbsoluteDestiny · Post by **AbsoluteDestiny** » Mon Jun 07, 2004 5:32 am

Angst. Is. Un. Spe. Cific.

That's how it works. You can't feel "angst" having watched a music video because angst does not have a cause, it is merely a result of something unspecific.

What you mean is "depressing", not "angst".

(also comedy only leaves people laughing if they find it funny. A comedy only aims to be funny, it does not have to succeed)