What is the best format to use for video editing programs?

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What is the best format to use for video editing programs?

Postby FCAdam » Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:30 am

Topic... i know avi obviously isnt it

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Postby Kariudo » Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:38 am

actually, avi is one of the best.

however...since many codecs can output avi files (.avi is a container, not a format such as .wmv) you need to be careful which codec your footage is encoded with.

avi files encoded with divx, xvid, or similar codecs are not meant for editing
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Postby FCAdam » Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:45 am

hmm yeah youre right looks like my tard'edness knows no boundaries today... could be something to do with getting thrown around at judo but hey... yeah i was too dumb to notice my files were xvid and not avi
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Postby Kariudo » Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:50 am

your files are indeed avi files, but your problem is that they are encoded with xvid (making them xvid-avi's)

given your other thread...I'm pretty sure that you're using fansubs (which is highly discouraged...but sometimes there is no way around using fansubs)
if the dvds are avaliable in your area, please support the anime companies and buy the dvds (oh yeah...your footage quality will improve too)

if you want to use that footage, you'll have to re-encode it.
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Postby CrackTheSky » Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:50 am

FCAdam wrote:hmm yeah youre right looks like my tard'edness knows no boundaries today... could be something to do with getting thrown around at judo but hey... yeah i was too dumb to notice my files were xvid and not avi


No, they ARE .avi. They're just encoded with XviD.

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Postby Warpwind » Thu Nov 09, 2006 1:37 am

I find it highly amusing that you two both posted at the same time.

Anyway another page that may help you is here

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Postby Willen » Thu Nov 09, 2006 6:06 am

Kariudo wrote:.avi is a container, not a format such as .wmv

Technically, WMV is a codec and a container format*. There is a version of Windows Media Video (WMV) - codec version 9 (aka. WMV3), that is VfW (Video for Windows) compatible (more specifically, VCM) and as such, is able to be stored in an AVI container. Previous versions (WMV7 and WMV8, aka. WMV1 and WMV2, respectively) were more proprietary and generally didn't play well in non-WMV/ASF containers.

* to be more accurate, the WMV file format is an ASF (Advanced Systems/Streaming Format) container with a .wmv file extension.
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Postby AMV_4000 » Thu Nov 09, 2006 8:48 am

Willen wrote:
Kariudo wrote:.avi is a container, not a format such as .wmv

Technically, WMV is a codec and a container format*. There is a version of Windows Media Video (WMV) - codec version 9 (aka. WMV3), that is VfW (Video for Windows) compatible (more specifically, VCM) and as such, is able to be stored in an AVI container. Previous versions (WMV7 and WMV8, aka. WMV1 and WMV2, respectively) were more proprietary and generally didn't play well in non-WMV/ASF containers.

* to be more accurate, the WMV file format is an ASF (Advanced Systems/Streaming Format) container with a .wmv file extension.


isnt asf basically MS Mpeg 4 V3?

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Postby Minion » Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:42 am

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Postby Shazzy » Thu Nov 09, 2006 4:31 pm

AVI is like a box that your actual video goes on. DivX/XviD is just one type of video that goes inside the box.

There are lots of codecs you can edit in. Do you have a big hard drive? Try putting Huffyuv or Lagarith "inside the box."
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Postby AngelOfTheDark » Fri Nov 10, 2006 2:39 am

I'm using Imtoo DVD ripper. Can I just save it as "AVI audio-video interleaved (*.avi)" and use it straight in my program? The quality seems to be more than satisfactory for me so far (and I'm picky about quality). I just want to know what'll happen after I've saved my project before I go to the trouble of making a video just to find it doesn't look good at the end.

Also, I'm watching the clips I ripped as samples and the sound & the picture don't sync up by a few milliseconds (the mouth will move at the second syllable spoken instead of the first). This has happened after saving it in three different formats. This isn't a problem for editing, but I'd like to watch the videos on my computer, too, and that will bug me. So does anyone know what I'm doing wrong here? This didn't happen when I saved a few other things on my computer and I don't think I'm doing anything differently, so I'm confused. Unfortunately, the help section in the program is literally empty and I don't have a manual because I downloaded it and used a registration code.

Thanks for the help. I've read the guides several times over but sometimes you just can't beat talking to a real person. Since I'm the only editor around where I live this is the only place I can go for real help.
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Postby Willen » Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:46 am

AMV_4000 wrote:isnt asf basically MS Mpeg 4 V3?

ASF is the container that Microsoft developed to handle MS MPEG-4 V3 video streams. When MS MPEG-4 V3 got hacked to enable it to be used in an AVI container (again) it became DivX ;-) 3.11 Alpha. Of course, MS MPEG-4 V3 then became WMV7 (WMV1), etc.

Since a great deal of MS MPEG-4 V3 content was available in ASF, I can see the correlation.
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Postby Kariudo » Fri Nov 10, 2006 10:40 am

AngelOfTheDark wrote:I'm using Imtoo DVD ripper. Can I just save it as "AVI audio-video interleaved (*.avi)" and use it straight in my program? The quality seems to be more than satisfactory for me so far (and I'm picky about quality). I just want to know what'll happen after I've saved my project before I go to the trouble of making a video just to find it doesn't look good at the end.

Also, I'm watching the clips I ripped as samples and the sound & the picture don't sync up by a few milliseconds (the mouth will move at the second syllable spoken instead of the first). This has happened after saving it in three different formats. This isn't a problem for editing, but I'd like to watch the videos on my computer, too, and that will bug me. So does anyone know what I'm doing wrong here? This didn't happen when I saved a few other things on my computer and I don't think I'm doing anything differently, so I'm confused. Unfortunately, the help section in the program is literally empty and I don't have a manual because I downloaded it and used a registration code.

Thanks for the help. I've read the guides several times over but sometimes you just can't beat talking to a real person. Since I'm the only editor around where I live this is the only place I can go for real help.

I'm not familiar with that program, but if you have the option I highly suggest not using it.
the problem with [most] dvds is that the footage is interlaced, and editing with interlaced footage is a pain (and you can't be sure that your sync will turn out right)

you may experience the audio/video skew because of the size of the file.
Chances are that your computer wasn't made to play 1GB large video files
(so much information that the file can't playback in real time...which could generate that audio discrepency)

get dvd decrypter from www.doom9.net and follow the guides, trust me...they know what they're taking about.
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Postby AMV_4000 » Fri Nov 10, 2006 1:07 pm

http://cb-r.org/Guides check on this, it is a quick guide to tell how to to rip and edit with dvds

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Postby Digitalmaster3605 » Fri Nov 10, 2006 6:49 pm

AMV_4000, I dunno if you noticed, but some of the images have broken links.


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