SlipKnoT Project!!!

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SlipKnoT Project!!!

Postby E2_productionz » Fri Nov 19, 2004 7:24 am

hi i am a bit of a noobs too a-m-v.org but i want to make a project. i have seen some of the other projects and all i can say is 'wow, that was poo' i am not gonna name projects but lets just say if it took u 9 months to make that, how long does it take 20 amv makers to screw in a light blub?

i am a lover of amv's just sometimes i expect too much.

now then, the project, im flexible on how long it will last, what tunes to include, the mixes and so on. so basically we need.
a mixer. really need a mixer and a good 1 too.
a slipknot album or 2
ACTION anime. i really wud like it to be all action
the projects i seen, the clips were wayyy too short so im thinking 1 minute clips for each person/tune and say 10+ tunes. but like i said i am flexible on that. anyways i think thats enough oh oh and someone if they could be so kind as to make a banner, oh oh and a bigmac and fries .
oh and a drink
milkshake
strawberry
thanx :lol:
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Postby ifihadaninja » Fri Nov 19, 2004 10:18 am

you dont seem serious enough, nor mature enough to handle a project of your own.
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Postby E2_productionz » Fri Nov 19, 2004 10:36 am

because i made a joke at the end? anyway i get what ur sayin but my youth is what makes me great. i know ppl want some war vet amv maker. either way judge me by my amv's.
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Postby DrngdKreationz » Fri Nov 19, 2004 11:51 am

Strangely enough ... since My replacement fader Finally came in. I was looking at my slipknot on Vinyl and wondering how a mix would sound.. Does anyone know if the 3rd album was released on 12"?

if not If I ever get around to Recording my mixes again Who knows. I might be interested in recording a slipknot mix.


plus, I think the whole thing about you not being mature enough is If you're already calling yourself a noob to editing not too many people will be willing to work for your project. as seen most of the succesful projects (DDR, ROS RVG/NES/VG3 and ANIMIX) have all had fully capable people heading the projects.. I've seen other Projects on these forums where the leadership is... Meh. and that really hasn't gone anywhere. Also If you're being a "project head" you should already have most things provided.. (hosting , audio mix, .. etc.)

I think thats what Ninja's post was referring to.
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Postby Garylisk » Fri Nov 19, 2004 5:18 pm

Hey, I am nonoob, butmyproject is still doing poorly. A lot of it has to do with interest. Will there be many people interested in a slipknot project? I am not too sure, actually.

Well I am interested, but I just don't see there beingmuch interest due to the musical tastes of most people on this site. My project is allpunk rock, and stirred up very small amounts of interest... thus, it's been goingon for 2+ years.
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Postby CerebralAssamite » Fri Nov 19, 2004 5:23 pm

eh, not soo much the audio editing, however I would like a crack at being part of it non-the-less..
True though, don't put yourself ever!, it will come back and bite you in the but in a few years/months/days/minutes.
I can understand the excitement of starting a new project; and having the opportuinity to lead a multi-editing project, but whatever you do, don't rush it.
Before starting up a project you should experiment with some tougher editing programs such as (for me its tough) Vegas 5.0, Adobe Premiere can be a pos at times but not that bad.

Give us a buzz in the future if this ever takes off, I'd like to make a contribution to one of the very many bands that helped me get into metal (even though now they blow, their first album was awesome)
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Postby DrngdKreationz » Fri Nov 19, 2004 5:53 pm

CerebralAssamite wrote:(even though now they blow, their first album was awesome)


ok at least im not the only one who thinks that they suck ass now... I was truly dissapointed in the 3rd album.. but I have the other 2 on vinyl. so I had to ask.
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Postby rose4emily » Fri Nov 19, 2004 7:36 pm

Hey - we're only at 7 1/2 months, and wrapping it up this week. If anything, our baby's 6 weeks premature (aside from the fact that it was oringally going to be a 3 month project - but scheduling is one of those things you have to learn the hard way). I'm not so sure about the "poo" part. My segment, maybe - but other editors on the project have produced some of the most powerful and beautiful videos I've ever seen.

Okay, personal rebuttal out of the way. 8-)

Are you interested in advice for managing projects? I've spent all but six weeks of nine months collecting it, and am more than willing to share with anyone who'll listen. Most of it is of the "if I ever did this again I'd..." variety, and would likely apply to other projects every bit as much as it would have to Instrumentality. I might also add that I was the "newest" and one of the least experienced editors on the project I've been managing - so I'm with you on that one.

DrngdKreationz has a point with the "you should already have things prepared" bit. Infrastructure and organization are very important - you will most definately need to write specific guidelines, set up FTP hosting or some other effective means of file transfer, define the degree of freedom and responsibility each creator will have with respect to the clip to which each is assigned, come up with a deadline (even though I've never seen anything of import proceed on schedule, having a schedule is necessary to get people moving in the initial stages of a project), work out the technical details of what formatting and encoding everyone's footage needs to be submitted in and how they're all going to be put together - and by whom they'll all be put together, and so on....

By the way, watch DrngdKreation's "Olin" if you haven't already seen it - it is definately up there on my list of creative, well-executed videos - and one of the few I can think of that actually benefit from the use of heavy effects work (also one of the few where the effects really are woven into the style of the video, rather than pasted on top of it - I think there's a correlation :)).

On an artistic level, I'd suggest some variety in the footage. This is, in part, to avoid the appearence of just picking "something with a big riff", "getting all the best fight scenes in the anime and putting them together", and using "consumate lens flashes to make it look real high-tech". It is also a suggestion based on the idea that anything more than a couple minutes long really ought to have more than one style or mood to keep it from becoming monotonous.

Then again, we are talking about a project featuring SlipKnot music. I'm more of a Sabbath fan myself, when it comes to "Metal" music (there's a grossly ill-defined genre - but it has had 44 years to branch out and develop new flavors), prefering the counterpoint and residual touch of blues featured my early Metal to the grunting and atonal thrashing of "Nu Metal". On the other hand, I also like NIN's Broken EP, which was the first glimpse of atonal thrashing shown to the mainstream since the ill-fated forays Classical composers made into "freeing themselves from the constraints of tonality and conventional composition" in the early 1900's. None of it is very listenable in large doses.

Back to the point, perhaps repetition is appropriate given the musical selection the footage is being applied to. Even so, it should be structured repetition, with some theme to give the audience the impression that they are watching a piece forged by a group, rather than a random set of disparate pieces that happen to be set to the recordings of a single band.

Working with SlipKnot music does give you the potential, as editors, to do something new with the music. I've only seen two "good" Nu-Metal AMVs to date - one of which is mentioned above, the other being Doki Doki Productions' "Lolipops, Sunshine, and GRRRRR....." (which, as a parody piece, is probably nothing like what you're going for). The presence of three percussionists and two rhythm guitarists (yet no lead - why?) gives many of their works several rhythmic layers with which you can work. You also have at least a spectrum between "angry" and "depressive" (not Bauhaus depressive, but I'm sure you know what I'm talking about) to play with for variation and structure when creating the audio arrangement that will serve as the backbone of your project. I suggest you use that - put in a little foreboding "quiet before the storm", give the listener a moment of respite before bringing in the thundrous climax.

Watch Otohiko's "The Wasteland" (it's the finale track of Instrumentality, but also already available for Local download) to see just how much more impact the "hard" portion of your project can have if intermixed with a touch of suspence, and maybe a few seconds of silence.

A SlipKnot project would also, I imagine, lend itself well to the use of color as a medium for the conveyance of emotion. In this case I'm thinking lots of black, grey, and crimson red - but a better pallate might come to mind as the actual footage comes in. Professional animators and cinemetographers are often very careful with their use of color, realizing exactly how powerful it can be on both a conscious and subconscious level. Scope is also important - how much of a scene is shown and how much has to be infered from what is shown. Rent a copy of Equilibrium (imagine a 50/50 mix of The Matrix and 1984), I Am Sam, Leon (marketed in America as "The Professional" - but the version labelled Leon is a much better film, containing much that the American version cut out), Amelie (also called "Le Fabuleux destin d'Amélie Poulain"), The Wall (a powerful and unusual film set to the Pink Floyd album of the same name) and Requiem for a Dream - and pay close attention to the color pallate and camera's point of view throughout these films, as they all make excellent examples of the effective use of color and cinematic scope as devices that sometimes carry as much significance as the actual onscreen action. The best example of popular animation (outside of the animated segments of "The Wall") that I can think of in terms of color language and playing with cinematic scope is Evangelion - particularly the End of Evangelion film. Mamoru Oshii's films (Angel's Egg, Ghost in the Shell...) also tend to use these devices heavily, but in a more subtle way.

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Okay, I've gone and dumped every stylistic suggestion I can think of on you - which you may or may not even read. The most valuable advice I can give concerns technical matters and my first and second-hand experiences with management styles - but these topics are more involved, so I'll remain silent unless you actually declare some interest. I'd be happy to share, but it's always a good idea to make sure you have an audience before you start your second set, lest you mistake for a concert a rehersal.
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Postby DrngdKreationz » Fri Nov 19, 2004 10:20 pm

Wow, Rose4Emily.. Thank you for the kind words about my work and also the inmense amount of information you could have provided Especially with your experience as a project head. I'll also agree that choosing a good palette would be important to the way that this could turn out.

might i also add that Requiem for a dream gave me a mind fuck for about 3 days after watching it..
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Postby E2_productionz » Fri Nov 19, 2004 11:17 pm

Thank you to that people that support me. i know a LOT of stuff needs to be sorted out but i don't see this as MY project as much as OUR project. i'm not saying i won't lead this but really i want to have fun, work hard and at the end, sit back and say 'we did this' with a huge smile
of course im a noob to a-m-v.org but i been making amv's for 3 years now (linkin park and dragonball z LOL) (i was young)
so really im trying to say, we are all fans and even artists so lets create
hope this gets off the ground and we enjoy ourselfs
thanx again to spporters

that kinda speech will get me to the white house
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Postby TokyoU15 » Fri Nov 19, 2004 11:23 pm

No...more like a crackhouse.
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Postby rose4emily » Sat Nov 20, 2004 2:33 am

DrngdKreationz wrote:Requiem for a dream gave me a mind fuck for about 3 days after watching it..


It'll do that. So will "The Wall", "End of Evangelion", "Clockwork Orange", "Eraserhead", Jan Svankmajer's "Alice", the Broken movie, and "Mullholland Drive" - if you watch them properly.

Just don't try watching all of them one after another [Shivers].

I would also suggest you never try to view the whole of "I CAVDIVS" in one sitting. Bad idea.

Then again, you could probably drive some one to insanity much faster with an unabating supply of DiGi Charat than any amount of twisted and abstuse films. I tend to experience a temporary drop of intelligence immediately after watching a Pauly Shore flick. There was one summer where my sister would watch "Grease", in it's entirety, almost every day. Thanks to her, I'm still able to recite the script verbatim anytime someone turns it on. I'm sure that would constitute some sort of mental violation.

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E2_productionz wrote:that kinda speech will get me to the white house


No, to get into the White House, you'd have to make up words - like "suiciders" and "nuculer", use the term "evil" ad nauseum, and make promising declarations like "I'll raise the military budget to the highest level It's been at since the Reagan administration" (I somehow found myself at a Republican rally - destroying any hopes I had that it was just the camera taking off 10 IQ points). It would also help if you could "speak Mexican", but proper English is out of the question.

Or, if you're a slimy Democrat rather than a stupid Republican (there, I've pissed off everyone but the Communists and the Greens - crazy anti-establishment tree-huggers [I think they'll take that as a compliment] :)), you might also want to have the phrase "I have no improper relationship with that woman" well-rehearsed. These things seem to come up.

E2_productionz wrote:really i want to have fun, work hard and at the end, sit back and say 'we did this' with a huge smile


I can't believe I've almost made it to that point. I most definately have a huge smile ready for when I'm done putting the finishing touches on Instrumentality. It's a Good Thing (TM).
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Postby E2_productionz » Sat Nov 20, 2004 2:39 am

No...more like a crackhouse.


In England, UK, you would be known as a wanker.
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Postby TokyoU15 » Sat Nov 20, 2004 2:55 am

In the US, You would be known as a dumbass.
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Postby DrngdKreationz » Sat Nov 20, 2004 9:05 am

:lol:

/aside from the tokyou15 comment.

yeah, other things that I know detriorate braincells is working tech support... explaining things at an inferior level to your own will unfortunately atrophy the "better" functioning braincells you have..
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