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Is this computer good for video editing?

Postby lalalagirl » Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:54 pm

I've been meaning to buy a new PC for video editing purposes. I'm not exactly tech-savvy so I don't know if this would be a good buy or not.

HP Pavilion a6750t
Dual-core E5300 2.6GHz
Processor & Memory:

Intel® Pentium® Dual-Core Processor E5300 2.6GHz
2MB L2 cache
800MHz Front Side Bus
4GB DDR2-800MHz SDRAM memory (4 Dimms)

Drives:
500GB (7,200RPM) SATA 3Gb/s hard drive
LightScribe 16x max DVD±R/RW SuperMulti drive

Graphics & Video:
HP w1858 18.5" diagonal widescreen flat panel monitor with integrated speakers
128MB NVIDIA® GeForce® 9300 integrated graphics
Communications:
Integrated 10/100/1000BASE-T LAN Port

Audio:
Integrated 7.1 channel capable sound w/ front audio ports
Keyboard & Mouse:
HP Keyboard
HP Optical Mouse
Expandability (Total Slots):
Total memory slots: 4 DIMM
1 x PCIe x16
2 x PCIe x1
1 x PCI

Ports:
Front panel 15-in-1 memory card reader: supports SmartMedia, xD, MultiMedia Card, Secure Digital (SD), Mini Secure Digital, Compact Flash I, Compact Flash II, IBM Microdrive, Memory Stick, Memory Stick Pro, Memory Stick Duo, Memory Stick Pro Duo, RSMMC, MMC Mobile, MMC+
Front headphone and mic ports
Line-in
6 x USB 2.0 ports (2 Front, 4 Back)
2 x IEEE 1394 (Firewire)
2 x PS/2

Operating System:

Microsoft® Windows Vista Home Premium (64-bit)
Additional Software:

Microsoft Works 9.0
Additional Information:

CPU Dimensions: 16.28" D x 6.89" W x 15.24" H
Power Supply: 300W



~ My main concern is my harddrive space. I'm running on a Mac OSX 10.4.11 with 1 GB memory, 4 MB cache, Processor speed of 2.16GHz, & Harddrive capacity of 111.47 GB and it is DEFINITELY too little. :nono:

I don't want it to crash often or it to be super slow while I'm in the process of editing an AMV, so will this computer be acceptable?

If not, any good suggestions?

Price range: $300-$800- or around there :)
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Re: Is this computer good for video editing?

Postby Athena » Sun Jun 21, 2009 1:48 am

lalalagirl wrote:~ My main concern is my harddrive space. I'm running on a Mac OSX 10.4.11 with 1 GB memory, 4 MB cache, Processor speed of 2.16GHz, & Harddrive capacity of 111.47 GB and it is DEFINITELY too little. :nono:

I don't want it to crash often or it to be super slow while I'm in the process of editing an AMV, so will this computer be acceptable?

If not, any good suggestions?

Price range: $300-$800- or around there :)


Okay... I'm a bit confused. Are you running OSx86 on a PC? Or are you running retail Tiger on a genuine Mac? If the former, you should make sure that you don't just buy a Pavilion. You'll need to research the hardware needed to run OSx86 reliably, especially for editing. And you'd want to go up to Leopard at least. If you mean you currently have a Mac, and are thinking of switching to a PC running Windows... uhm... why? Tell me more about the Mac you're leaving, and what type of Mac it is. If harddrive space is your only issue, there are other, cheaper, solutions than buying a new computer. The specs of this mystery mac are not enough to identify it or for me to offer you suggestions on how you might be able to get more from it (or for me to tell you, that, yes, it is time to upgrade). In addition, I think most people here will tell you to build your own; not buy an HP from ConsumerElectronicsRus.
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Re: Is this computer good for video editing?

Postby lalalagirl » Sun Jun 21, 2009 2:41 pm

Kionon wrote:
lalalagirl wrote:~ My main concern is my harddrive space. I'm running on a Mac OSX 10.4.11 with 1 GB memory, 4 MB cache, Processor speed of 2.16GHz, & Harddrive capacity of 111.47 GB and it is DEFINITELY too little. :nono:

I don't want it to crash often or it to be super slow while I'm in the process of editing an AMV, so will this computer be acceptable?

If not, any good suggestions?

Price range: $300-$800- or around there :)


Okay... I'm a bit confused. Are you running OSx86 on a PC? Or are you running retail Tiger on a genuine Mac? If the former, you should make sure that you don't just buy a Pavilion. You'll need to research the hardware needed to run OSx86 reliably, especially for editing. And you'd want to go up to Leopard at least. If you mean you currently have a Mac, and are thinking of switching to a PC running Windows... uhm... why? Tell me more about the Mac you're leaving, and what type of Mac it is. If harddrive space is your only issue, there are other, cheaper, solutions than buying a new computer. The specs of this mystery mac are not enough to identify it or for me to offer you suggestions on how you might be able to get more from it (or for me to tell you, that, yes, it is time to upgrade). In addition, I think most people here will tell you to build your own; not buy an HP from ConsumerElectronicsRus.


No, I'm running on a Macbook- a retail Tiger on a Mac. I want to switch to a PC because it has a lot more programs/applications than a mac (i.e: Sony Vegas) & because of my harddrive issue. At first I thought about buying just a second harddrive for my macbook, but from what I've found it's almost the same price as getting a new PC and does not let me run some programs that I want to run.

I do not want to build my own computer, all I'm asking is if this computer is decent enough to edit videos on and not lag or crash.
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Re: Is this computer good for video editing?

Postby Athena » Sun Jun 21, 2009 4:58 pm

lalalagirl wrote:No, I'm running on a Macbook- a retail Tiger on a Mac. I want to switch to a PC because it has a lot more programs/applications than a mac (i.e: Sony Vegas) & because of my harddrive issue. At first I thought about buying just a second harddrive for my macbook, but from what I've found it's almost the same price as getting a new PC and does not let me run some programs that I want to run.


Well, you asked for suggestions, which also, as I understand it, means you're interested in the opinions behind the suggestions. And you still haven't told me the specs of the MacBook, but that's okay, because I have been able to determine what is is.

If it is a MacBook (and says MacBook on it, not PowerBook or iBook) then it should be an Intel Core 2 Duo 2.16Ghz. The RAM should be upgradable to 3GBs (easily, I will even walk you through how, it's so simple). You may be able to use 4GBs completely in Snow Leo and Vista64/Win7, I need to do more research on if my current MacBook White is the same internally as yours as (it's the same case). Your computer will take it, but under Leo or 32bit Windows it seems 3Gbs is the max.

I think you are really underestimating the options available to you. Almost all major programs available for Windows have some sort of direct port or clone on Mac. The latter may not look the same, but it will have the same. And between crossover, parallels, and boot camp, if you really need something on windows, have at. I'll even test to see if Vegas runs, if you want me to.

And considering that TB drives using firewire are around $120 bucks, it is a much much cheaper option than buying a new PC.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6822101094

The 3Gbs of RAM will cost you... like $50? Maybe: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductLi ... R2&x=0&y=0

Personally, you already have a great machine. A great machine that can run Windows lightening fast if you really want it to. It's still upgradable. It's current technology. It's PORTABLE. There is absolutely no reason for you to abandon the MacBook for a cheap PC. None. If I had $300, I would buy the harddrive space and the RAM. And try to score a discounted copy of Leo, although Snow Leo will be dirt cheap, come September, for the upgrade. If I had $800, I'd buy the harddrive space, the ram, and a really nice desktop set up for it: minidv-DVI adaptor, huge DVI monitor, comfortable keyboard and mouse, speakers... Then you have a very nice mac... that is totally comparable or better than what you have linked up above. Nicer looking too. And if you want to run windows? Go ahead. You can.

I do not want to build my own computer, all I'm asking is if this computer is decent enough to edit videos on and not lag or crash.


It's a computer. It will eventually crash. And if the whole computer doesn't, the program will, now and again. With that out of the way, it sounds like you've already decided, and you need very little in the way of hardware to edit videos. It depends not on if you edit, but what you edit with and how you choose to edit.
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Re: Is this computer good for video editing?

Postby mirkosp » Sun Jun 21, 2009 6:41 pm

For roughly 670 EUR (should be about 940 USD) you should be able to buy a pre-built PC which has a Q6600 CPU, 4 GB DDR2 RAM, a NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT, and 2x500GB internals.
Considering how you are using the PC for non 3D editing, the CPU is more important over the graphic card.
However the prebuilt pc I'm talking about (Acer Aspire - M5620) is available in Italy only, but I'm sure that if you check out other Acer pre-built PCs, you'll find better deals, even, considering how America tends to have lower prices with the tech stuff.
Just be sure to go with a quad-core if you can, those help a lot when it comes to editing and compressing.
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Re: Is this computer good for video editing?

Postby lalalagirl » Sun Jun 21, 2009 10:56 pm

Kionon wrote:
lalalagirl wrote:No, I'm running on a Macbook- a retail Tiger on a Mac. I want to switch to a PC because it has a lot more programs/applications than a mac (i.e: Sony Vegas) & because of my harddrive issue. At first I thought about buying just a second harddrive for my macbook, but from what I've found it's almost the same price as getting a new PC and does not let me run some programs that I want to run.


Well, you asked for suggestions, which also, as I understand it, means you're interested in the opinions behind the suggestions. And you still haven't told me the specs of the MacBook, but that's okay, because I have been able to determine what is is.

If it is a MacBook (and says MacBook on it, not PowerBook or iBook) then it should be an Intel Core 2 Duo 2.16Ghz. The RAM should be upgradable to 3GBs (easily, I will even walk you through how, it's so simple). You may be able to use 4GBs completely in Snow Leo and Vista64/Win7, I need to do more research on if my current MacBook White is the same internally as yours as (it's the same case). Your computer will take it, but under Leo or 32bit Windows it seems 3Gbs is the max.

I think you are really underestimating the options available to you. Almost all major programs available for Windows have some sort of direct port or clone on Mac. The latter may not look the same, but it will have the same. And between crossover, parallels, and boot camp, if you really need something on windows, have at. I'll even test to see if Vegas runs, if you want me to.

And considering that TB drives using firewire are around $120 bucks, it is a much much cheaper option than buying a new PC.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6822101094

The 3Gbs of RAM will cost you... like $50? Maybe: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductLi ... R2&x=0&y=0

Personally, you already have a great machine. A great machine that can run Windows lightening fast if you really want it to. It's still upgradable. It's current technology. It's PORTABLE. There is absolutely no reason for you to abandon the MacBook for a cheap PC. None. If I had $300, I would buy the harddrive space and the RAM. And try to score a discounted copy of Leo, although Snow Leo will be dirt cheap, come September, for the upgrade. If I had $800, I'd buy the harddrive space, the ram, and a really nice desktop set up for it: minidv-DVI adaptor, huge DVI monitor, comfortable keyboard and mouse, speakers... Then you have a very nice mac... that is totally comparable or better than what you have linked up above. Nicer looking too. And if you want to run windows? Go ahead. You can.

I do not want to build my own computer, all I'm asking is if this computer is decent enough to edit videos on and not lag or crash.


It's a computer. It will eventually crash. And if the whole computer doesn't, the program will, now and again. With that out of the way, it sounds like you've already decided, and you need very little in the way of hardware to edit videos. It depends not on if you edit, but what you edit with and how you choose to edit.


Thank you so much for your suggestions! I have thought about it some more, and researched a little bit more, and it DOES seem better to just upgrade my mac. From what you've said, you too run a mac. Of course you know a whole lot more about it so I'll really take what you've said into consideration. I thought about just buying a Parallels Desktop, a 28" wide monitor, & acomdata 1TB external harddrive to spice up my macbook.. is that a good idea?

I'm actually pretty scared about using a PC since I'm a complete Mac-user so this might be the best idea.

*so sony vegas can run on Parallels Desktop with no problem?*
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Re: Is this computer good for video editing?

Postby Athena » Sun Jun 21, 2009 11:17 pm

I'm pretty much the central mac user on the org. I own five and wrote guides for prepping footage on both intels and ppcs. I will test Vegas in crossover and in parallels. If you tell me how much you know you can spend, I'll help with software and hardware lists.

Oh yeah. I'm in the teachers lounge. On my iPhone. :awesome:
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Re: Is this computer good for video editing?

Postby milkmandan » Sun Jun 21, 2009 11:21 pm

Hey lalalagirl,

My initial impression, like everyone else, is to ask you to build your own computer or to buy parts and what not. (as it is ultimately 'cheaper' and more efficient)
but seeing as you have written:
lalalagirl wrote:I do not want to build my own computer, all I'm asking is if this computer is decent enough to edit videos on and not lag or crash.

i'll throw that idea out the window.

However, I would rather understand your situation so that we can give you better advice.

- Why have you picked out this HP Pavilion a6750t? And how much does it cost? (you did not list the price of the HP)
- Any specific reason why you are going with a pre-built computer from HP? Why not a Dell?
- Do you have anyone you know who can build custom computers for you for free? (a friend perhaps?)
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In any event I will answer you question:
I don't want it to crash often or it to be super slow while I'm in the process of editing an AMV, so will this computer be acceptable?

The HP Pavilion a6750t is decent enough to handle AMV video editing. Of course it is not the best thing out there, but you should be able to handle what you want to do with it.
Basic AMV creation. You aren't doing any 3d effects or 3d rendering so you should be fine. However, don't expect LIGHTING fast renders and insane speeds.
I've made AMVs on crappier machines so this will do fine. This definitely be a huge upgrade from your MacBook.

Keep in mind, ALL computers slow down over time, due to the hard drive filling up with information. The more you use your computer, the slower it gets. It is recommended to keep your hard drive clean and free of junk to maintain nice speeds. Crashing and super slow computer is dependent on you and how well you maintain your computer. If you fall victim to installing spyware or useless programs and what not, even if you have the most expensive computer in the world, it will become slow and end up crashing.
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As for other computer suggestions, mirkosp made a very good suggestion. Although I am not sure if anyone sells a pre-built like that.
Try to find a pre-built that follow's mirkosp's suggestion as close as possible.

Since you want HDDs space, you def. want 2x500GB internal drives.
Don't edit on external drives (slowwww).
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Re: Is this computer good for video editing?

Postby milkmandan » Sun Jun 21, 2009 11:27 pm

lalalagirl wrote:I'm actually pretty scared about using a PC since I'm a complete Mac-user so this might be the best idea.

*so sony vegas can run on Parallels Desktop with no problem?*

If you've been using Mac, i say stick with it :\
Learn Final Cut! Final Cut Pro is > Sony Vegas any day

However, if you have your heart set on Sony Vegas, I say try PC
cheaper too
since your macbook is a on the lower end for processing power.
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Re: Is this computer good for video editing?

Postby Athena » Sun Jun 21, 2009 11:45 pm

I disagree with some of the above. Is it really that much of an upgrade if you don't use it? I think this big of a jump is just, well, overkill. She shouldn't pay for power she won't use.

Also macs do just fine with FireWire drives.

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Re: Is this computer good for video editing?

Postby lalalagirl » Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:05 am

Kionon wrote:I disagree with some of the above. Is it really that much of an upgrade if you don't use it? I think this big of a jump is just, well, overkill. She shouldn't pay for power she won't use.

Also macs do just fine with FireWire drives.

I'd be more verbose, but iPhone is small. :|


My computer is about two years old now so should I still stick with it or not? *How long do you think it'll last until It burns out XD*
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Re: Is this computer good for video editing?

Postby Athena » Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:25 am

Mine is a few months old but isn't really more advanced. Put bluntly, unless you're telling us that you expect to be doing 3d stuff, or heavy use of AfterEffects/Motion, I just don't think you need much more. By the time you do, then we can talk again. And things will be cheaper and faster and smaller too.

Vegas is midrange. Prosumer by a hair, maybe. Specs that high are just unnecessary, IMO.
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Re: Is this computer good for video editing?

Postby milkmandan » Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:39 pm

Kionon wrote:Also macs do just fine with FireWire drives.

yeah, PC's do fine with FireWire as well, but thats not the point. I was more over referring to lighting smooth editing.

Kionon wrote:Mine is a few months old but isn't really more advanced. Put bluntly, unless you're telling us that you expect to be doing 3d stuff, or heavy use of AfterEffects/Motion, I just don't think you need much more. By the time you do, then we can talk again. And things will be cheaper and faster and smaller too.

Vegas is midrange. Prosumer by a hair, maybe. Specs that high are just unnecessary, IMO.

i had a computer very similar to lalalagirl.
P4 2.4Ghz, 1GB RAM, Windows XP, plenty of hard drive space though, and editing was fine. i made all my amvs on that machine (minus my latest one). Editing was fine, and easy.
You are right, she doesn't "NEED" more power, but then again who does? I've seen people edit on machines way worse than her mac.
but that isn't the point.

If lalalagirl has, and is willing to spend more for a smoother AMV creation experience, getting a new computer will help.
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Re: Is this computer good for video editing?

Postby milkmandan » Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:55 pm

lalalagirl wrote:My computer is about two years old now so should I still stick with it or not? *How long do you think it'll last until It burns out XD*

your computer will never 'burn' out, unless you cover all the airflow vents and let the computer over heat time and time and time again.
or start dropping your computer down a flight a stairs once a day.

there is no exact time as to when computers 'BURN' out, they don't. they are made to run for years. of course this doesn't happen, due to non optimal operating temperatures, but they 'can'. your computer is just 2 years old. I've had a computer with me for 7-8 years and it still ran. of course at the end of it's life, you'll notice problems, like 'not booting up' all the time and other problems. but you should be fine.

2 years is still a good computer. 5+ and it is kinda old.

Kionon wrote:Specs that high are just unnecessary, IMO.

Those so called 'specs' are really not high.
a Q6600 is trash now compared to the new i7 and it is dirt cheap.
used to be over $400~500 bucks for that cpu, now it is $199 :\

if lalalagirl ever does get into AE or motion graphics, it would be much better she have a computer that can 'handle' it..rather than find out "oh i wanna use AE, but oh wait my computer SUCKS to much to even do anything, guess i need to buy a new computer now". she may end up hating using AE for AMVs, and wasting money on something she doesn't like.

for video editing, simply put, the better computer you get, the more you can do with it, and the smoother your editing experience will be.
render times will drop, things might not lag as much...etc..

if lalalagirl just wanted a bare minimum computer that can handle the bare scratches of AMV creation, she wouldn't be here, she is obviously looking for something better than what she currently has.
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Re: Is this computer good for video editing?

Postby Athena » Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:43 am

milkmandan wrote:Those so called 'specs' are really not high.
a Q6600 is trash now compared to the new i7 and it is dirt cheap.
used to be over $400~500 bucks for that cpu, now it is $199 :\


I wasn't talking about money. I was talking about that vague concept known as "power."

if lalalagirl ever does get into AE or motion graphics, it would be much better she have a computer that can 'handle' it..rather than find out "oh i wanna use AE, but oh wait my computer SUCKS to much to even do anything, guess i need to buy a new computer now". she may end up hating using AE for AMVs, and wasting money on something she doesn't like.


Her MacBook can handle it. How do I know? I have the same processor. True, I have a bigger harddrive and more ram, but as stated, she can easily upgrade both. Not as far as I can, based on the limitations of the motherboard on her MacBook versus mine, but compared to what she has now, the difference is huge.

I can run Motion on a 3.2GHz P4 single core with 3GBs of ram. I am sure I can run it on an 2.1 Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo with the same ram. I imagine I would not see an issue with AE if I wanted to run it, which, frankly, I don't, but I'd be happy to test if you so desire. However, I still don't think she's going there right away, or even in the immediate future. She can correct me if I am wrong.

for video editing, simply put, the better computer you get, the more you can do with it, and the smoother your editing experience will be.
render times will drop, things might not lag as much...etc..


I am afraid that's not quite true. At least not in my experience. And how do you define better? It depends on many, many factors, but mostly, as I said earlier, how you edit, and what you edit with. If she could clarify just what kind of work she's going to do, I could tailor my responses better.

if lalalagirl just wanted a bare minimum computer that can handle the bare scratches of AMV creation, she wouldn't be here, she is obviously looking for something better than what she currently has.


She doesn't have a bare minimum computer. Her MacBook was top of the line two years ago, and I just bought practically the same one a few months ago, and it is currently my main editing computer. And I'm doing a lot more effects on my recent videos than I ever did previously. If she can bring it up to even close to mine, which she can, as I have shown above, she should be absolutely fine. Overkill is not necessary. By the time things have changed enough to require her to get a new computer, she will probably need one anyway, so I say, save your cash now, go with the upgrade options of the MacBook, and in another two years, say, get the top of the line MacBook Pro.

But that's just my 2円.
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