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Postby spreet » Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:40 pm

Can anyone give me a brief guide in how to edit with this thing? I finally got the FCE and was so excited to use it! But once I got everything set up, it's like NONE of my files are working right. I have to load them into iMovie to compress them into .DV format then drag them into FCE--but even so, the sound doesn't want to work. Everything new I bring up says 'unrendered'...I just need a little help with this. I've been using iMovie so I've very used to that. This is totally different. People say its easy to use but I beg to differ. Anyone care for some help please?
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Postby Athena » Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:33 am

I need more information. What is your initial source material; Final Cut can handle uncompressed avi and uncompressed mov, as well as naked vobs.
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Postby spreet » Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:39 am

Well it was originally .ogm but I converted them to .avi files.

Kionon wrote:I need more information. What is your initial source material; Final Cut can handle uncompressed avi and uncompressed mov, as well as naked vobs.
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Postby prYzm » Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:26 am

what codec of an avi is it? (right click on the file, go properties, then click on the summary page, should be a part that says 'codec' divx/xvid/huffYUV/Uncompressed... etc something like that next to it)
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Postby obh04 » Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:03 pm

Final Cut Express, as far as I know, can only handle DV and HDV if you have the new FCE with out rendering the file. FCE can also work with MOVs but with that you will have to render it in your timeline (Hit "Apple" and "R" to render). Look at the guides for Mac and follow them, but when comes the editing part you will have to do that. I do not think there are any guides for FCE.
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Postby spreet » Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:08 pm

I'm sorry. It doesn't give me that option. I tried everywhere to find properties. I checked 'get info' and all it did was give me basics, not a summary. Is there any other way to look up that info? Because I'm not sure what codec it's in. I'm sorry. I'm still really new to macs.



prYzm wrote:what codec of an avi is it? (right click on the file, go properties, then click on the summary page, should be a part that says 'codec' divx/xvid/huffYUV/Uncompressed... etc something like that next to it)
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Postby spreet » Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:10 pm

obh04 wrote:Final Cut Express, as far as I know, can only handle DV and HDV if you have the new FCE with out rendering the file. FCE can also work with MOVs but with that you will have to render it in your timeline (Hit "Apple" and "R" to render). Look at the guides for Mac and follow them, but when comes the editing part you will have to do that. I do not think there are any guides for FCE.


Yeah, I converted one to .mov and it still came up as unrendered and I didn't know what to do. But if hitting apple and R is all I have to do then I will certainly give that a shot. I'm pretty sure I can figure out the editing part on my own. It's just the formatting and converting that's keeping me back. If I can get through this, the rest I will be able to do.
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Postby Athena » Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:30 pm

spreet wrote:Yeah, I converted one to .mov and it still came up as unrendered and I didn't know what to do. But if hitting apple and R is all I have to do then I will certainly give that a shot. I'm pretty sure I can figure out the editing part on my own. It's just the formatting and converting that's keeping me back. If I can get through this, the rest I will be able to do.


Ooooooooooooh. I misunderstood. You know, I always went ahead and rendered, and then rerendered and saved with every cut, just like I do in premiere, so I never really noticed this as a problem. When you move the timeline bar, it should show footage. It should only not show the footage if you press play. You can edit that way, but I always just rendered so I didn't have to.
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Postby spreet » Sat Jan 19, 2008 1:46 am

Kionon wrote:
spreet wrote:Yeah, I converted one to .mov and it still came up as unrendered and I didn't know what to do. But if hitting apple and R is all I have to do then I will certainly give that a shot. I'm pretty sure I can figure out the editing part on my own. It's just the formatting and converting that's keeping me back. If I can get through this, the rest I will be able to do.


o. I misunderstood. You know, I always went ahead and rendered, and then rerendered and saved with every cut, just like I do in premiere, so I never really noticed this as a problem. When you move the timeline bar, it should show footage. It should only not show the footage if you press play. You can edit that way, but I always just rendered so I didn't have to.


Okay, I have a new problem now. It took forever to render the .mov file in the timeline. I have 2 different sequences up. I tried bring the .mov file (which was in sequence 2) over to sequence 1 and it shows up as unrendered. After all that wait, it doesn't want to work. This thing is driving me crazy. And the sound lags too!
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Postby Shazzy » Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:29 pm

Your project settings probably do not match your footage.

Try setting up a new project using the steps in this final cut guide and see if you still have problems.
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Postby nifear4 » Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:09 pm

I have both FCE and FCP (using FCP on current project)

First of all there are a few annoying problems that I find about just the MAC in general.
1. Conversion for video editing or any video editing program on the MAC is DV (basically from cam-recorders)
2. Converting a 5-minute clip of a standard Xvid AVI takes up about 1.01gb. This means you need a big HD, I only have a 60gb, but a 500gb external (Thank God for that).
3. Use a program to convert your files to DV, I was using iMovie to just convert it, but I'm going to try MPEG-Streamclip
4. FCE and FCP are usually in the format of HDV or DV, so basically in the ending result you will still have to convert it to a DV, which is the annoying and a long process (do this over night or something).

While your done with the conversion, you can simply just add in the clips (drag & drop). And use the "blade tool" to cut the clips into the clips you want, etc. Also, when you add a effect, you might need to render the effect, but if its already in a DV format, then from what I know, you don't need to render it, it will render automatically (atleast thats what happened to mine.)

Then when you export, its better to export it as a DV, then run it through D-Volution (This is the program I use to convert DV to AVI or whatever, and has the Xvid Codec and the DivX codecs so no worries. Then its pretty set, you can also basic crop in this program.

The reason why you export to DV first place is so that you don't lose any quality whatsoever, then when you compress DV to another, you don't use a lot of quality, basically if you just go into D-Volution and set the file size at 100mb, your quality should be very very very similar to your original work.

Hope this helped, if you need more help just ask these people on the forums, they've been doing AMV's more than I have, but I've been converting DV non-stop for the past few weeks.[/url]
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