I make amvs for fun!

[Knowname]

Let's try this topic again, I know I ruined it myself last time lol, I do that o.0 lol. But... again I'm concerned that this amv community is headed in the WRONG direction. The right general direction, yes, but... making amvs has CEASED to be fun. For the same reason Silver_Moon quit for. Seriously, and that's the deal. If the thought EVER goes through your head that you should just quit THAT is when you know AMVs have ceased being a hobby and have started being a JOB, obviously, one canNOT quit a hobby.... Maybe some of you kids won't get this, but us adults don't wanna come home to our 2nd (3rd or 4th) job. For a kid who doesn't have a job, the extra responsibility's just sound cool *.* But please understand, to me a video is a VIDEO, not some life and death bottom line investment, good or bad, an AMV should just be a VIDEO. I don't mean to sound like I'm talking down to the somewhat lesser population here (given, that 70% or so are 20+ and do hold down dull jobs so they can totally get what I'm saying but) I'm just trying to inform the few. We don't need another martyr (Silver_Moon, Aluminum Studios, Big Big Truck, Ermac etc. all the ppl who have 'retired'), I hate to say 'don't take it so seriously' but -geeze!- put a lid on it will ya kids??? -if you don't understand this question, don't worry about it, read on, it'll become clearer-

That brings us to one of the best things that came out of last week's question, where IS the line between dedication and 'massochism'?? <-- this is my problem with most studios nowadays, studios have ceased to be just a group of friends and have become more of a talent contest! ooh! my studio is bigger than yours... I'll get back to that point.

Anyway first let's define massochism for the layman minded out there (myself included). I see two words in there, mass, and schism. A mass is obviously a group of ppl, a schism is, correct me if I'm wrong, a 'hangup' on a topic. Seriously, that's what we have here! A group of ppl that are hung up on a single aspect of amving. Basicaly 'oooh! Your sync isn't correct.' or 'ooh! you didn't deinterlace this or that' etc.

So, the question is, how can we show our dedication WITHOUT seemingly jumping overboard with criticism? This is a slippery topic. What I suggest is DON'T o.0 ok?? I hate to say it, but take a cue from youtoob and so on and just don't. You SHOW your dedication, you don't try to pawn it off on others. We are not HERE to solely improve, this is NOT a job! Again, this will be MUCH easier for those with jobs to understand than for those without, simply because they can relate.

So there, you can have dedication without massochism, let's just put a lid on it shall we folks??

Secondly there is this studio issue. competition for PRIDE is one thing, but like dedication, there IS a point when your not only competing for pride but your also pawning it off on the subservient. Again, lets go back and define some of those points. What I mean by pawning it off is your EXPECTING this level of 'professionalism' out of others in your studio. WE ARE NOT PROFESSIONALS! Yes it's one thing to say 'yeah, I'd like to see that..' but it's seriously another to feel like you have to DO the amv for the other just to get it right. Seriously if your ok with your 'friends' being THAT much of a terrorist and demanding I guess that's up to you, but not me. I'm very careful about the studios I join, I will not be putting myself into a WORKPLACE, I am putting myself into a PLAYPLACE, I have my WORKPLACE thankyou.

AMVs are not a JOB, AMVs is (are?) a hobby, let's stick to that. Studios are not a place you go to WORK, a studio is a (online) place you go to have FUN. Work... not so much. Let's stick to that.

/rant

[Koopiskeva]

I disagree with all of this. |:

[Knowname]

you need to get a life... no, just playin, you know, buuuut.... why???

[BasharOfTheAges]

You are obviously not of the otaku (traditional Japanese meaning not americanized one) mindset - if you were you'd not separate work and fun... they are indistinguishable parts of the whole.

[JaddziaDax]

yer video still confuses me even if the editing was done alright O.o

[BasharOfTheAges]

Also, to address the overall point - If you want to half-ass something and still get pats on the back kindly try youtube. If you don't like being judged on your shortcomings then stop posting videos i guess. Some hobbies are more labor-intensive than others while some are insanely expensive. Rock collecting is pretty decent though - you should give it a try.

[Kariudo]

I bet everyone who ended up making an AWWWWW video had fun
though it's probably (yayz for qualifiers) true that most of the regulars don't have fun making videos.

I feel pretty safe in saying that everyone had fun/felt satisfaction when they first started making videos...but as with most things the law of diminishing returns comes into play.
This drives people to look for something else that's "fun" or "satisfying"

so you go from just making a video is fun (without so much as a passing glance at things like sync)
to having to add more and more intricacies to get the same feeling (or at least to maintain a level that makes you feel that making a video is worth the effort)

[CorpseGoddess]

Anyway first let's define massochism for the layman minded out there (myself included). I see two words in there, mass, and schism. A mass is obviously a group of ppl, a schism is, correct me if I'm wrong, a 'hangup' on a topic. Seriously, that's what we have here! A group of ppl that are hung up on a single aspect of amving. Basicaly 'oooh! Your sync isn't correct.' or 'ooh! you didn't deinterlace this or that' etc.

/rant

mas·och·ism [mas-uh-kiz-uhm, maz-]

–noun 1. Psychiatry. the condition in which sexual gratification depends on suffering, physical pain, and humiliation.
2. gratification gained from pain, deprivation, degradation, etc., inflicted or imposed on oneself, either as a result of one's own actions or the actions of others, esp. the tendency to seek this form of gratification.
3. the act of turning one's destructive tendencies inward or upon oneself.
4. the tendency to find pleasure in self-denial, submissiveness, etc.

schism [siz-uhm, skiz-]

–noun 1. division or disunion, esp. into mutually opposed parties.
2. the parties so formed.
3. Ecclesiastical. a. a formal division within, or separation from, a church or religious body over some doctrinal difference.
b. the state of a sect or body formed by such division.
c. the offense of causing or seeking to cause such a division.

Weird way to spell the word and a REALLY weird way to define it.

[CorpseGoddess]

Also, to address the overall point - If you want to half-ass something and still get pats on the back kindly try boochsack. If you don't like being judged on your shortcomings then stop posting videos i guess. Some hobbies are more labor-intensive than others while some are insanely expensive. Rock collecting is pretty decent though - you should give it a try.

I guess my question comes in---who decided that amv's had to be a "judged" hobby at ALL? I believe there should be a balance between enjoyment for enjoyment's sake and serious critique to further talent. But not everybody makes amv's to be scrutinized and not everybody makes them for fun. When did a-m-v.org go from being the place where Phade was trying to catalog and collect all the amv's to the online equivalent of art school (which I attended, so I recognise the attitude)?

I'm not being oppositional or difficult, just genuinely interested in your reply.

[JaddziaDax]

plus with the way hes ranting hes making it out that more that people on the org are sadists and not masochists...

either that or we are all a little bit of both O: