PAL video issue

[Zaphod_Beeblebrox]

i feel like a fool...and quite possibly the only person on the .org who is even thinking about trying to use PAL source...

the thing is: i was just wondering if anyone has found a really good way of de-interlacing PAL footage.

as far as i can tell my source is fully interlaced.

4:3 aspect ratio, and....ummm...i can't think of anything else that might be relevant...

anyone got any suggestions?

[post-it]

. Relax, your not alone on this problem ^_^

PAL(625), Sescam(428), Japan/US(525) are all standards that are common
today and even b/w(208) is still used in some countries.. What people are
waiting for are US Standards to HDTV which were suppost to be released in
January of this year, but have been moved to February of 2006!

. VirtualDub build 4.10 and newer handle this ( added ) filter and can
be downloaded from must VD-Filter Devolopers.. I believe that
they should be listed, by location, in the FAQ's on this board.

[Scintilla]

I'm fairly sure Zaphod knows the difference between PAL and "Japan/US", otherwise known as NTSC...

Anyway.

http://www.animemusicvideos.org/guides/ ... etb2a.html
For analyzing your footage and determining what kind of interlacing you've got.

http://www.animemusicvideos.org/guides/ ... etb3a.html
Instructions on restoring progressive frames for each kind of interlacing, for both NTSC and PAL.

Hope this helps.

[NeoQuixotic]

I'm buying a PAL Digimon DVD soon, so when I get it and start messing with the footage I'll tell you how it worked and what problems I ran into. (Random note: Why is the UK getting Digimon on DVD and not the USA? BAH!)

[Zaphod_Beeblebrox]

http://www.animemusicvideos.org/guides/ ... etb2a.html
For analyzing your footage and determining what kind of interlacing you've got.

http://www.animemusicvideos.org/guides/ ... etb3a.html
Instructions on restoring progressive frames for each kind of interlacing, for both NTSC and PAL.

Hope this helps.

unfortunately i've read the new EADBAG, and there's only vague advice such as:

you might want to try the unblend AVS filter, and see if that works, try and see!

or something similar...

and as i said, i have already determined that it's full frame interlacing...but i can't figure out the field order...i'm not sure it actually has one but feel free to tell me i'm wrong.

If it helps i'm trying to work with the recently released "Fist of the North Star" TV series 6 disc boxed set...

Relax, your not alone on this problem ^_^

PAL(625), Sescam(428), Japan/US(525) are all standards that are common
today and even b/w(208) is still used in some countries..

as scintilla said, i'm already well aware of the whole PAL/NTSC thing, i've read both versions of EAD's theory guides, and thus am fully knowledged-up on colourspaces, interlacing, telecining (not that it applies to me) and just about anything else you care to mention, i just want someone to tell me if there is a good way of de-interlacing PAL TV DVD footage with full frame blending.




.....and preferably in AVS as i haven't got nearly enough HD space for huffyuv encodes of more than one ep of anything.

[Scintilla]

and as i said, i have already determined that it's full frame interlacing...but i can't figure out the field order...i'm not sure it actually has one but feel free to tell me i'm wrong.

Every DVD has a field order, unless it's encoded progressive (and it doesn't sound like yours is). When you run it through DVD2AVI, the "Info" box in the statistics should say either "T" or "B" (thanks DJ_Izumi, I think, for the tip).

Have you tried the usual suspects -- FieldDeinterlace, KernelDeint, TomsMoComp, SmoothDeinterlace -- to see if any of them produce satisfactory results? I'm looking at the <a href="http://www.animemusicvideos.org/guides/ ... 5829">full frame interlacing section</a> right now, and those are the first suggestions I see... though they won't fix the blending.

[post-it]

it would be nice if there were an un-blend filter for VirtualDub somewhere ^_^

[AbsoluteDestiny]

it would be nice if there were an un-blend filter for VirtualDub somewhere ^_^

It would be nicer if there were an unblend filter that actually worked.

[Zaphod_Beeblebrox]

and as i said, i have already determined that it's full frame interlacing...but i can't figure out the field order...i'm not sure it actually has one but feel free to tell me i'm wrong.

Every DVD has a field order, unless it's encoded progressive (and it doesn't sound like yours is). When you run it through DVD2AVI, the "Info" box in the statistics should say either "T" or "B" (thanks DJ_Izumi, I think, for the tip).

thanks, i have discovered that it's bottom field first (or it says "B" so i'm assuming that means bottom).

Have you tried the usual suspects -- FieldDeinterlace, KernelDeint, TomsMoComp, SmoothDeinterlace -- to see if any of them produce satisfactory results? I'm looking at the <a href="http://www.animemusicvideos.org/guides/ ... 5829">full frame interlacing section</a> right now, and those are the first suggestions I see... though they won't fix the blending.

yeah, i tried KernelDeint and it gave quite good results, i was just wondering if anyone had anything better, i'll try those others and see if they're any better, thanks again.

[SS5_Majin_Bebi]

i feel like a fool...and quite possibly the only person on the .org who is even thinking about trying to use PAL source...

the thing is: i was just wondering if anyone has found a really good way of de-interlacing PAL footage.

as far as i can tell my source is fully interlaced.

4:3 aspect ratio, and....ummm...i can't think of anything else that might be relevant...

anyone got any suggestions?

Uhm, yeah, theres a section in the guides that has a PAL deinterlacing script (under "Useful AVISynth Scripts").

And by the way, I live in Australia, so I'm largely limited to using PAL as well.