Computer Suggestions

NicholasDWolfwood · Post by **NicholasDWolfwood** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 4:12 pm

I'm trying to make a list of PC parts for somebody on AIM.

Here's what I have so far:

Asus A7V8X-X nForce2 400 3DDR 400Mhz DDR PC3200 AGP 8x LAN/Audio/ATX MB - Retail -

http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=4094 - $60

AMD Athlon XP 2500+ 1.833Ghz 333FSB Barton Core 3D CPU Retail with Heatsink and Fan -

http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=3600 - $96

Thermaltake A1745 Extreme Volcano 12 AMD Socket A Edition Highest Performance Cooler Retail -

http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=5634 - $36

Crucial Technology 512MB 184pin DDR333 PC2700 - http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=2918 -

$76

Crucial Technology 512MB 184pin DDR333 PC2700 - http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=2918 -

$76

Asus Radeon 9600XT/TVD 128MB DDR VIVO/DVI 8x AGP Retail -

http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=5510 - $190

Western Digital 160GB 7200RPM - http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=5354 - $113

Samsung SyncMaster 955DF-T/T (Silver/Black) 19" - http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=4558

- $200

Vantec 18" Rounded IDE CABLE ATA66/100/133 - http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=3286 - $7

Vantec 18" Rounded IDE CABLE ATA66/100/133 - http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=3286 - $7

Creative Labs Audigy 2 6.1 Sound - http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=4107 - $70

Raidmax Scorpio 868W Black 420W Power Supply - http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=5846 -

$66

Logitech Elite Keyboard Black - http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=5180 - $39

Logitech Cordless Mouse Retail - http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=2815 - $28

Altec Lansing AVS500B - http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=2439 - $39

Total: $1103 + shipping

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His list:

Samsung 955DF-T/T 19" DynaFlat CRT Monitor - http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDe ... archdepa=0 - $179

Intel Pentium 4/2.8C 800MHZ FSB, 512K Cache, HT - http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDe ... archdepa=0 - $215

ATI Radeon 9600XT 128MB AGP 8x - http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDe ... archdepa=0 - $189

Kingston ValueRAM Dual Channel Kit 184Pin (512MBx2) 1GB DDR400 PC3200 - http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDe ... archdepa=0 - $165

ABIT 875P Motherboard for Socket 478 Pentium 4 -
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDe ... 152&depa=1 - $159

Pioneer 16x DVD-ROM - http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDe ... archdepa=0 - $40

GameSurround Fortissimo III 7.1 - http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDe ... archdepa=0 - $45

Logitech Z-340 2.1 - http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDe ... archdepa=0 - $43

Cooler Master EAK-US1 Aluminum -http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDe ... &section=3 - $17

Logitech MX310 Optical Mouse - http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDe ... archdepa=0 - $28

Thermaltake Highest Xaser II A5000C Chassis - http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDe ... 11-133-116 - $89

Thermaltake Silent PurePower, 420W - http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDe ... 17-153-006 - $49

2-Foot Round UDMA/133 IDE Cable - http://www.compgeeks.com/details.asp?in ... R24133-GRN - $5x2 = $10

Already purchased:
Maxtor 160GB 7200 RPM for $80
MDMM 6-in-1 Dominator 4x DVD-R/RW for $80

Subtotal: $1,390
Subtotal (without Already Purchased parts): $1,198
Current Comp Fund for Him: $1,300

Give me suggestions or comments.

NicholasDWolfwood · Post by **NicholasDWolfwood** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 4:13 pm

I wish I had an edit button...

OMGWTF

Keyboard for his list: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDe ... &section=3

That was the correct link

NicholasDWolfwood · Post by **NicholasDWolfwood** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 4:16 pm

MY FINAL LIST FOR HIM:

Asus A7V8X-X nForce2 400 3DDR 400Mhz DDR PC3200 AGP 8x LAN/Audio/ATX MB - Retail -

http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=4094 - $60

AMD Athlon XP 2500+ 1.833Ghz 333FSB Barton Core 3D CPU Retail with Heatsink and Fan -

http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=3600 - $96

Thermaltake A1745 Extreme Volcano 12 AMD Socket A Edition Highest Performance Cooler Retail -

http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=5634 - $36

Crucial Technology 512MB 184pin DDR333 PC2700 - http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=2918 -

$76

Crucial Technology 512MB 184pin DDR333 PC2700 - http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=2918 -

$76

Asus Radeon 9600XT/TVD 128MB DDR VIVO/DVI 8x AGP Retail -

http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=5510 - $190

Western Digital 160GB 7200RPM - http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=5354 - $113

Pioneer 16x 120S Slot-Loading - http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=3752 - $31

Samsung SyncMaster 955DF-T/T (Silver/Black) 19" - http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=4558

- $200

Vantec 18" Rounded IDE CABLE ATA66/100/133 - http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=3286 - $7

Vantec 18" Rounded IDE CABLE ATA66/100/133 - http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=3286 - $7

Creative Labs Audigy 2 6.1 Sound - http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=4107 - $70

Raidmax Scorpio 868W Black 420W Power Supply - http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=5846 -

$66

Logitech Elite Keyboard Black - http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=5180 - $39

Logitech Cordless Mouse Retail - http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=2815 - $28

Altec Lansing AVS500B - http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=2439 - $39

Total: $1,134

bum · Post by **bum** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 8:57 pm

ya should have just used an 2600 instead. its only like $5-$10 more

klinky · Post by **klinky** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 11:23 pm

I don't get why he's getting a retail cpu and then a $30 cpu fan to go on top of it... Is he thinking of overclocking? He'll need an unlock kit for that and the XPs don't overclock that well anyways. I am also anti-thermaltake since their shit has been shoddy from day one.

I just got some <a href="http://store.yahoo.com/svcompucycle/new ... ">GC68s</a> from SVC. The default 80mm fan is probably too slow to cool it off. But add <a href="http://store.yahoo.com/svcompucycle/80sunsuphigs.html"> 80x25mm Sunon 50.2CFM</a> fan on top and you should be good to go. They are very nice heatsinks for very little money.

Bum is actually right... The XP2600+ runs @ 2.13Ghz/333Mhz bus, while the XP2500 runs @ 1.83Ghz/333Mhz bus. That is a pretty big difference for only a couple more $$$. Not sure why they say 1.9Ghz on that website..

Raidmax uses shitty power supplies. It's worth a shot but he might need to get a decent 350watt Antec, Sparkle or Channel Well power supply later on.

Maybe look into getting a CDRW/DVD combo drive instead of just a DVD drive. Seems kinda wasteful.

Cordless mice suck batteries and are less precise. Why do you need a cordless mouse when you're getting a corded keyboard? I $10 logitech optical is all you really need. If he wants a cordless mouse, most people agree the Logitech MX700 is the only worthwhile one out there.

I would be willing to bet the Logitech Z340's would sound better than those Altec Lansings.

Here's what I came up with off pricewatch... and yes I would buy each part separately if it gave me a better value

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Chaintech nForce2 $52
XP2600 + $87
GC68 $2 - Sunon 50CFM fan $8
2x OCSystem 512MB PC2700 DDR $63ea
Sapphire 9600XT $156
Audigy2 6.1 PCI sound $67
Seagate 160GB 7200RPM $99
Black Lite-On CDRW/DVD 48x24x48x16 $45
Cheapo black case w/ window $39
Channel Well 420Watt P/S $43
Logitech Elite Keyboard $20
Logitech Black Optical Mouse $15
Samsung SyncMaster 955DF $200
Logitech Z340 speakers $37
Rounded cables $14
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$1010 Shipped...

I feel kinda bad since that's only $124 difference... But there is, I believe more quality parts and better value in the above system, than in what he's ordering. Especially with the power supply & CPU.

>_> <_<

Corran · Post by **Corran** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 12:19 am

klinky wrote:Bum is actually right... The XP2600+ runs @ 2.13Ghz/333Mhz bus, while the XP2500 runs @ 1.83Ghz/333Mhz bus. That is a pretty big difference for only a couple more $$$. Not sure why they say 1.9Ghz on that website..

>_> <_<

I've gone on a bit of a spending spree lately and yesterday I bought 2600+ processor.

It turns out that the speeds 2.13Ghz and 1.9 are both correct.

Athlon XP 2600+ @ 2.13Ghz and 266Mhz FSB
Athlon XP 2600+ @ 1.917 Ghz and 333Mhz FSB

Just posting to clear that up...

klinky · Post by **klinky** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 12:57 am

I am not so sure about that corran. There are place selling a 2.133Ghz @ 333Mhz bus :

http://www.sonicparts.com/applications/ ... P263&sc=pi

Maybe they have old stock and are trying to pass it off >_>...

Corran · Post by **Corran** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 1:13 am

While rated 2600+, the 2600+/333 differentiates itself to the 2600+/266 by core clock speed. The 2600+/266 has a multiplier of 16 and front side bus of 133, giving you 2.13ghz, while the 2600+/333 has a multiplier of 12.5 and a front side bus of 166, giving you 2.08ghz.

I was wrong to begin with. I had 1.9 instead of 2.08... Anyways, this is what I read... maybe my source is wrong.

NicholasDWolfwood · Post by **NicholasDWolfwood** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 1:31 am

My List

Asus A7V8X-X VIA KT400 SkA 3DDR PC3200 AGP 8x W/LAN/Audio ATX MB Retail - http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=4094 - $60

AMD Athlon XP 2500+ 1.833GHz/333 FSB Barton Core 3D CPU Retail with Heatsink and Fan * Free Shipping * - http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=3600 - $96

Kingston 1024MB Kit ( 2x512MB ) PC2700 DDR 333MHz( KVR333X64C25K2/1G) CL2.5- Retail * Free Shipping *
- http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=5360 - $156

Thermaltake A1455 VOLCANO 9 “CoolMod” + Blue/Red LED Light Cooler for SocketA, Socket370 Retail - http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=2598 - $19

ATI Radeon 9600XT 128MB DDR DVi/TV-Out 8x AGP - Retail * Free Shipping *
- http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=5507 - $189

Western Digital 160GB WD1600BB ATA-100 UDMA IDE HD 7200RPM - oem * Free Shipping * - http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=5354 - $113

Pioneer 16x 120S Slot-Loading - http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=3752 - $31

Samsung SyncMaster 955DF-T/T (Silver/Black) 19" - http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=4558
- $200

Creative Labs Audigy 2 6.1 Sound - http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=4107 - $70

Logitech Internet Navigator Keyboard USB & PS/2 #967233-0403 - Retail - http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=5181 - $30

Logitech Wheel Mouse Optical - Black Limited Edition Part#930808-0403 Retail - http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=2814 - $26

Logitech Z340 Black color 3 Piece Speaker System - Retail - http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=4701 - $43

Raidmax Scorpio 868W Black 420W Power Supply - http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=5846 -
$66

Vantec 18" Rounded IDE CABLE ATA66/100/133 - http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=3286 - $7

Vantec 18" Rounded IDE CABLE ATA66/100/133 - http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=3286 - $7

Total: $1,113

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His List

Samsung 955DF-T/T 19" DynaFlat CRT Monitor - http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDe ... archdepa=0 - $179

Intel Pentium 4/2.8C 800MHZ FSB, 512K Cache, HT - http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDe ... archdepa=0 - $215

ATI Radeon 9600XT 128MB AGP 8x - http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDe ... archdepa=0 - $189

Kingston ValueRAM Dual Channel Kit 184Pin (512MBx2) 1GB DDR400 PC3200 - http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDe ... archdepa=0 - $165

ABIT 875P Motherboard for Socket 478 Pentium 4 -
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDe ... 152&depa=1 - $159

Pioneer 16x DVD-ROM - http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDe ... archdepa=0 - $40

GameSurround Fortissimo III 7.1 - http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDe ... archdepa=0 - $45

Logitech Z-340 2.1 - http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDe ... archdepa=0 - $43

Cooler Master EAK-US1 Aluminum -http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDe ... pa=0§ion=3 - $17

Logitech MX310 Optical Mouse - http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDe ... archdepa=0 - $28

Thermaltake Highest Xaser II A5000C Chassis - http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDe ... 11-133-116 - $89

Thermaltake Silent PurePower, 420W - http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDe ... 17-153-006 - $49

2-Foot Round UDMA/133 IDE Cable - http://www.compgeeks.com/details.asp?in ... R24133-GRN - $5x2 = $10

Already purchased:
Maxtor 160GB 7200 RPM for $80
Mad Dog Multimedia 6-in-1 Dominator 4x DVD-R/RW for $80

Subtotal: $1,390
Subtotal (without Already Purchased parts): $1,198
His Current Comp Fund: $1,300

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A few things to clear up...

I picked out a retail CPU and then got an additional heatsink because the retail heatsink/fans usually suck. Why spend $89 on an OEM and $18 on that Volcano 9 when you can spend $6 more on the chip to get an extra heatsink/fan and an AMD warranty?

Anti-thermaltake? Been running a Volcano 7 for about a year and a half, no problems yet. Been running memory coolers from Thermaltake, no problems. Both are sleek and silent. Looking at the Essential Computers site, they don't have a 2600.

Raidmax's power supply works fine for me. Raidmax 420w. 4xHD, DVD±RW, CD-RW, Radeon 9000 Pro, 7 chasis fans, extra power supply fan, etc.

My cordless mouse/keyboard combo works fine. The keyboard has been using the same batteries for a good 7 months, no problems. The batteries in my mouse last about a month per pair. Time to bust out the recharger :O

added Z340s to the list and took off the Altec Lansings (although I am running AVS300s and have been for a good two years, no problems yet.

Corran · Post by **Corran** » Sun Dec 21, 2003 2:12 am

NicholasDWolfwood wrote:Looking at the Essential Computers site, they don't have a 2600.

http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=5475