AbsoluteDestiny wrote:I think it's judged relative to success.
I recall that Cowboy Bebop Z was a video that some questioned regarding trolling, given that it featured at a large amount of conventions. Now, if the video was rubbish people may not have noticed - if it's good then it's considered unfair.
I think a Vlad had a reasonable methodology with Transcending Love:
It was submitted to AX but didnt make the cut. He resubmitted to Otakon and to AWA Pro. The AWA Pro deadline was before the Otakon screening so he wasn't to know that the video would go on to win at Otakon before being seen in AWA Pro. Had the deadlines been different then the submissions may have been different but given it's poor reception at AX there was no reason for Vlad to presume entering to just Otakon would be enough.
I think this is an example where a high profile video won at multiple conventions with honest intentions and I think that if you keep that in mind then that will be fine. Once a video has received high recognition it's best not to submit it to contests as a competing entry
SRV has been shown at many conventions but was only entered into 2 contests - AX and later AWA Expo (which has so many awards that it wouldn't be seen as cheating anyone out of a category award). The other convention showings were all non-competing or panel showing.
Personally I'd like conventions to have more non-competing entries for people who are going to be present at the convention. This allows people with an award-winning video to see their video on the big screen and for others to see it without reducing the winning chances of a new video.
I agree with the "high recognition" part: if a video of mine gets just an honorable mention (which is nice, but not the same), then I don't have a problem sending it out again. But a major award category is different and would stop me from sending a vid out except for an exhibition-only event - including AWA Expo which is an exhibition-with-awards if that makes sense (?).
Last night I wrote AX and offered to withdraw my entry since it won at Anime North last weekend. (AN occurred after the AX deadline.) I say "offered" because it was already accepted as a legal entry so technically - and literally - it's in their hands. The decision is up to them. But AX gets so many entries it seems like the right thing to pull out. I realize, also, that an offer like this would not work if a judging tape was already finished (e.g. the AWA Pro tapes).
I don't think I would be as "generous" with a small convention, however. This is where I agree with Nappy for practical reasons. The smaller cons have enough trouble just getting enough entries to have a show, and it gets worse if - putting this nicely
- the lesser grade works are dropped. If I'm paying to see a show, I want to see good stuff, not mediocrity, even if it's locally made mediocrity. If that's sounds rude...well, I expect my own projects to be treated that way, too.
Bottom line is that it's up to the organizers to decide the nature of the contest. As long as the rules are posted (and more or less followed) then everybody, both locals and outsiders, know where they stand.
if they didn't win ppl probably wouldn't notice since cons are so far apart.
that's trolling bait, you twit...