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Sun Jul 28, 2019 9:35 am
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The fact that one of the judges made the finals with 2 of their edits really makes me doubt the integrity of the ones hosting this competition (AMV Netherlands)... Not abnormal for them though, they usually make their friends win. But it's foolish to make it that obvious that you make one of your own judges make it to the finals not once but twice.
Hi there, Kagacie here one of the founders of AMV Netherlands I’d to clarify a few things regarding the competition that seem to cause confusion.
This is a contest hosted by Abunaicon itself not by AMV Netherlands
, for those that do not know. MarikoAMV is a member of AMV Netherlands but also a member of the Abunaicon staff.
A short backstory of AMV Contests at Abunai.
So far Abunai has only had a local competition, we have been told that there was one international competition in its very beginnings (so we have been told by one of the old hosts we cannot confirm this ourselves).
This competition is as it says and only allows local Dutch entries. The contest has switched hosts throughout the years same as any convention and not each host was properly instructed by the last one.
After several years one of the host stopped being a part of the staff and so last year’s host was one with no experience when it comes to hosting contest, no knowledge about AMV’S and no to little information about the previous years by the previous host.
Because Mariko is a veteran editor for the convention, she decided to join the staff and become host for this year’s edition of the competition. Because she is a veteran she is informed about the past years as well as some background information about the process of hosting the competition. but
as said the previous host did not transfer any information so a lot of it is figuring out on her own how things work combined with having a pretty big role in the staff. This can cause for mistakes to occur or miscommunication towards contenders.
She is planning to be the host again next year so if you have any feedback for her on this year kindly sent it to her so that she can improve the contest to make it the best possible.
The local competition has always worked with a pre-judging system (for those that do not know this means the videos get watched by a group of judges and they decide the winners of the contest) and this has always caused some controversy with the audience. There has even been a year where sponsors were allowed to join and then also won with a video that the audience did not agree with. Obviously, we understand that it is impossible to please the entire crowd.
I will try to explain the way videos were judged as best as I can.
In previous years the judges were random members of the Abunai staff members/friends or family members of the host that have no to little knowledge about AMV's for the general ranking and 2 to 3 editors that did not participate in the contest for the technical judgement. The editors voted both technical and general with the general voting counting twice to the final ranking.
As you can imagine this is a system that can easily be manipulated by judges and has created for more than one situation where the whole crowd (both editors who participated and the audience) were very displeased with the winners.
A perfect example would be last year’s competition where Mariko was also a judge of the competition, and the 3rd place was a strange choice in her opinion (this was of course before the convention itself) a few days before the convention she did some checking of the scores and she was able to find out another judge was able to manipulate the scoring in such a way that the 3rd place was changed and that the excel sheet was used had several formula errors which gave different results. This led to a forced tie breaker vote by 2 random judges on the day before the contest in the end one that won the 3rd place was the "incorrect" one. Both the judges, the audience, the editors and even the editor of the video were all shocked and disagreed with the results.
We have had a year where a winner knew the judge and made a joke the judge when getting on stage to take his price, he intended to thank the host for giving him the idea for the video but as expected it was taken the wrong way by many of the audience as "helping a friend win".
So as you can read judging has never been this conventions strong point when it came to the local
competition, This is why when it comes to judging Mariko has changed things up a lot.
This is still done by pre-judging but with only editors, also this is a group of well-known and skilled editors. As this is for the local competition almost the entire competition is blind to them, Mariko herself and Liquified (another member of the AMV Netherlands team) are also part of the judging but both have judged for the contest before (will explain that more in another point regarding the involvement of AMV Netherlands with Abunai).
The judging form which I set up in cooperation with Mariko is set up in such a way judges cannot see the other judges their scored only the host can see all of these for the final ranking (which is automated).
Both general and technical are equal in scoring now, none is above the other in points and the accumulated points of all judges are collected automatically counted together (and can only be changed by the judges themselves, the host has access to the scoring sheets but as she is the only one other than the judge being able to change the scores it would be obvious if any changes were made) the scoring is automated in the final ranking sheet meaning that it would not be possible for the host or any of the judges themselves to change or manipulate the ranking.
On top of that judges were only given video titles, this prevents judges from knowing who made the video and being biased towards a specific editor.
All this was done to prevent problems to occurs as the previous years and to get a fair judging both the audience and the editors can agree with.
As an extra all participants get written feedback on their videos so that they themselves can see points to improve and to give a better understanding to the editors of the rankings.
For the international competition there is a combination of pre-judging and public voting.
Pre-judging is used to determine which videos go through to the final, this year it was judged by having all the judges together and voting which videos would be let through, and which we want for the overload.
For this I was also one of the judges, as I did not participate in this competition.
In the judging sheet all judges were only given the video titles and category, due to the time restraint of the competition a lot of video we would have loved to get in the competition did not get in.
The finalist are judged by the public using voting ballots during the competition and votes are counted afterward, with the winners being presented during the ending ceremony of the con.
Anyone who wishes to know why they did not get in or would like feedback on their video is more than welcome to sent a message to Mariko. She confirmed with me that she will be more than willing to provide people with feedback.
Overload as stated before are the videos that we would still want to show but just couldn't make the main competition.
For this we tried to keep it to 5 max of each category with once again main reason being time and to also not make it (for example) 20 drama videos as that would also not be interesting for the audience to watch , so if your video did not make it into overload there is a chance it was on the backup list but didn't make it due to time or category limit.
AMV Netherlands involvement
And now for a bit of a different topic but related.
As stated before the host of this competition is Abunaicon with Lydia in the lead.
But as she is also part of the AMV Netherlands team and this is the first year she requested help and opinions (when it came to organizing) to organize the competition from the rest of the AMV Netherlands team which at the time of this writing includes Liquified, Sonicfreak and myself.
Our whole team has assisted in creating the opening for the competition. outside of that separate members assisted in various tasks.
I assisted in setting up the sheets for the judges, create voting ballots and assisting with the international competition. Liquified assists in the judging for the local competition.
The international competition is a new event at Abunai, as anyone can imagine having to host not one but two AMV competitions at a convention for the first time brings a lot of pressure with it so requesting for help is only natural.
As the whole AMV Netherlands (including Mariko) we have held multiple IC's, done judging and given feedback this has been both for our own contests as well as other conventions.
Our goal as a team is to help the editing community in the Netherlands grow and improve as much as possible and to make sure competitions are fair for all involved.
As such we throughout the time we have been up and running we have been helping many editors improve this has resulted in a lot of editors involved with AMV Netherlands to start winning conventions. As we are a very tight and friendly community it may have come across as "making our friends win" this was a no point our intention and we do apologize if we made it come across as such.
We have a very strong sense of justice when it comes to judging and try to judge all videos fair and square, being a friend of us could result in us even being more strict as we know your editing abilities.
We do realize that the way the video was edited gave the wrong impression which competition the judges are for combined with the fact that one of the judges for the local competition is finalist for the advanced competition.
This is clearly a learning point for the next edition, if anyone has more point of improvement please send them to Mariko, as stated before this is a first edition so many places of improvement but with your help and feedback we will be able to create a great competition as without any of you this would not be possible.
sorry for the long post but just wanted to make it transparent and clear how everything in the background goes and to prevent further confusion