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Post by seasons » Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:51 am







Editors on YouTube don't really give their videos actual titles any more. Yes, I know this is a cherrypicked bunch of videos but they're just a couple meant to show what I mean.

In the earliest days of AMVs, did editors give their AMVs titles? I don't believe that the 1982 Beatles/Star Blazers video had an official title like anything we're used to. More than a decade later and Kevin Caldwell wasn't giving his AMVs titles other than than the name of the song he was using, except for once.

Then the Org came along and editors all decided they were going to title their AMVs just like anyone who's created a film or written a song or a book, whatever. And then this was the norm for a long time.

Put anything you want in the video title while uploading to YouTube, but why bother with an actual title at all when you know what information or lackthereof is actually going to be even more effective in driving clicks to it? Listing the song title and anime will help your video drift to communities across Youtube (AMVs, anime content, music) and extra words may just get in the way of that.

And what's wrong with being honest? What do you really want, even more editors who don't even list their sources?

I like titles, they're unique or meaningful (sometimes both or sometimes neither, yes I know) and they're important for helping provide a way for people to talk about AMVs, to think about their history or their personal favorites and to establish them as self-contained creations (or at least something different from the effect of"[song title/band name] edit]" as I see a lot these days (maybe, I don't know, something must've got me to write all this down). Titles convey meaning. It seems I've taken this for granted as a norm that would never change. Maybe it might? Maybe it is?

I know, people never stopped doing this, even as The Org made entering a title mandatory for every AMV entered into the database, thousands of editors still just put "Linkin Park DBZ AMV" or whatever into that field and didn't care. This doesn't even address the "Naruto vs. Pain"-type AMVs. I'm talking about really well edited and creative stuff that people are putting good work into but then just kind of floating it out and titling it like it's just an mp3 that you like or something. When an editor doesn't put a title on something, I feel like they're either not completely happy with it or are suggesting that they weren't taking it seriously in the first place (this goes for some really good AMVs that I feel are really creative and well-made, obviously this can lead to a bit of confusion).

I had a bigger point I wanted to make about this but I'm not even sure this makes sense to anyone.

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Re: AMV titles

Post by CrackTheSky » Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:31 pm

I agree with all of this. In fact, this is possibly one of my biggest pet peeves when watching AMVs. I feel like a good title can give your work some real weight and even shades of meaning that viewers may completely miss otherwise. It can make your work stand out in a unique way (although yeah, it makes your work harder to find, I'm sure...). If nothing else it's a good opportunity to have a little fun, you know?

It's always kind of confounded me that editors who, almost by definition, thrive on creative expression and use AMVs as one of their creative outlets, often default to insipid, lackluster titles for their work. I mean, ultimately it doesn't really affect my enjoyment of these videos, it just seems so counterintuitive.

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Post by Kireblue » Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:05 am

I love giving my videos titles, and there are cases where I've made a video just for the title :asd: . I've actually dropped a number of trailers because I couldn't think of a good title for them.

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Post by seasons » Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:58 pm

CrackTheSky wrote:It can make your work stand out in a unique way (although yeah, it makes your work harder to find, I'm sure...).
I honestly believe that if you called your AMV "GUNBUSTER FUTURE FUNK a e s t h e t I c A M V" instead of "VY CMa," it would have like 100,000 views on YT.
Kireblue wrote:I love giving my videos titles, and there are cases where I've made a video just for the title :asd: . I've actually dropped a number of trailers because I couldn't think of a good title for them.
I usually start editing without a title in mind and just hope that one will come to me before I'm done. This really doesn't work out for me like I hope it would!

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Re: AMV titles

Post by CrackTheSky » Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:17 pm

seasons wrote:
CrackTheSky wrote:It can make your work stand out in a unique way (although yeah, it makes your work harder to find, I'm sure...).
I honestly believe that if you called your AMV "GUNBUSTER FUTURE FUNK a e s t h e t I c A M V" instead of "VY CMa," it would have like 100,000 views on YT.
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Re: AMV titles

Post by Tigrin » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:22 pm

recently I had someone comment on one of my videos on YouTube to correct the title of the video because it didn't match the song... um, that's the point? If there are dozens of similar AMVs, how is anyone supposed to find mine without a title different from the song title?

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Post by seasons » Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:21 pm

CrackTheSky wrote:
seasons wrote:
CrackTheSky wrote:It can make your work stand out in a unique way (although yeah, it makes your work harder to find, I'm sure...).
I honestly believe that if you called your AMV "GUNBUSTER FUTURE FUNK a e s t h e t I c A M V" instead of "VY CMa," it would have like 100,000 views on YT.
But at what cost
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Post by DJ_Izumi » Fri Jun 15, 2018 7:34 am

Tigrin wrote:recently I had someone comment on one of my videos on YouTube to correct the title of the video because it didn't match the song... um, that's the point? If there are dozens of similar AMVs, how is anyone supposed to find mine without a title different from the song title?
It's YouTube. No one is going to find your AMV by looking it up by it's 'name'. They're going to find it as the algorithm suggests it based on it's relation to previous searches and views, or because the user searched the song used or the anime used.

If you're posting your AMVs on YouTube, it's now a game of SEO.
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Re: AMV titles

Post by Scintilla » Fri Jun 15, 2018 11:04 am

DJ_Izumi wrote:
Tigrin wrote:recently I had someone comment on one of my videos on YouTube to correct the title of the video because it didn't match the song... um, that's the point? If there are dozens of similar AMVs, how is anyone supposed to find mine without a title different from the song title?
It's YouTube. No one is going to find your AMV by looking it up by it's 'name'. They're going to find it as the algorithm suggests it based on it's relation to previous searches and views, or because the user searched the song used or the anime used.

If you're posting your AMVs on YouTube, it's now a game of SEO.
Shouldn't the tagging system help with that though? I always tag for music, animé (unless it's Studio Ghibli...), and any conventions it's been to.
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Re: AMV titles

Post by Tigrin » Fri Jun 15, 2018 12:39 pm

DJ_Izumi wrote:
Tigrin wrote:recently I had someone comment on one of my videos on YouTube to correct the title of the video because it didn't match the song... um, that's the point? If there are dozens of similar AMVs, how is anyone supposed to find mine without a title different from the song title?
It's YouTube. No one is going to find your AMV by looking it up by it's 'name'. They're going to find it as the algorithm suggests it based on it's relation to previous searches and views, or because the user searched the song used or the anime used.

If you're posting your AMVs on YouTube, it's now a game of SEO.
You'd be surprised, actually. The title is more for people who see the video at conventions. If you can come up with a fairly memorable title, people will search for it. I get a lot of search hits for "A Sporting Chance" by its title, for instance. But you're right, the vast, VAST majority of views I get on YouTube actually come from YouTube recommending the video on peoples' home pages, or at the end of another video. In that case it really doesn't matter what you name the video, so name it whatever you like. :)

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Post by DJ_Izumi » Fri Jun 15, 2018 1:04 pm

Tigrin wrote:You'd be surprised, actually. The title is more for people who see the video at conventions. If you can come up with a fairly memorable title, people will search for it. I get a lot of search hits for "A Sporting Chance" by its title, for instance. But you're right, the vast, VAST majority of views I get on YouTube actually come from YouTube recommending the video on peoples' home pages, or at the end of another video. In that case it really doesn't matter what you name the video, so name it whatever you like. :)
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Post by The_McLaughlin » Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:32 pm

I know that I name my videos. Though when I post them on YouTube I'll Add all the other information such as the song and anime in the title along with what I called my Video. As it seems even when I place tags on the video with the same information, YouTube won't pull it when the information is searched unless it finds it in the title as well. I don't know if maybe that has something to do with the recent trend.
Though when I first started out and all I ever did was post to YouTube and not send to conventions or anything like that while some of my videos still had titles on occasion most of them I just called "(anime) amv - (Song) by (artist)" and that was back in like 2006. So it could just be the norm on the platform.

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Post by Kionon » Fri Aug 17, 2018 12:11 am

seasons wrote:In the earliest days of AMVs, did editors give their AMVs titles? I don't believe that the 1982 Beatles/Star Blazers video had an official title like anything we're used to. More than a decade later and Kevin Caldwell wasn't giving his AMVs titles other than than the name of the song he was using, except for once.
Hit or miss. Even 20 years later, many titles were just the name of the song, the combination of the sources, or a very basic play on the combination of sources.

In fact if you look at my 2001 videos (lol, look at those low, low, low vidid numbers) you see:







Only Arima to Miyazawa is an actual independent title. It's the Japanese と (and) and not the English directional particle (as in From Arima TO Miyazawa).

I'd say there was an evolution from just source combination, like my own Utena (Story of a Girl) (which is how I still think of it, or sometimes just Story of a Girl, that IS a title) to overtly relevant titles like "Heero's a Mess" or "Sakura's The Girl I've Been Telling You About" to things which were truly independent titles. If you look at my own profile you can see this change as my titles get less and less overtly related to the song title, more related to the lyrics or aspects of the source, to completely unique titles.

When I look at my own archive, I see most videos up until the early 2000s were still following this pattern, and many classic videos from the 90s and early 2000s still no had more title than source combination or song title. Such as Julian Fong’s (Ingress) Robot Girl from 2000 which I remastered in 720p. Tom the Fish's "Top of the Rain" from 2002 is another early example where the title is lifted directly from the song lyrics, which is something I do quite often.

Indeed it has only been very recently I've been using titles, mostly for projects that haven't even been finished, which have really independent titles. Like the Orange Video I am working on, which is called "A New Hometown." It makes sense once you see the sources.
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Post by TnAdct1 » Fri Aug 17, 2018 7:17 pm

In terms of giving AMV titles, it really depends on the project.

For some of my videos (i.e. Splat, Pete's Dragon Maid), the ideas of what I was going to name the video was obvious from the beginning. Other times, finding the title was going to be tricky. For instance, when it came to my latest video, The Road to Pompeii, I didn't really had an idea of a title until very late in the editing process. Heck, that was the second idea that came to mind (with it being a reference to both the song being used and another post-apocalyptic tale about the travels of two people, The Road). The original title that I had thought up: If You Close Your (Potato) Eyes, which references both a recurring lyric in Pompeii and how some people compare the faces of the main girls of Girls' Last Tour to potatoes. However, I eventually rejected that title as it sounded too silly for a video that was more dramatic from my usual fare.

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Post by FoxJones » Thu Aug 30, 2018 7:50 am

I try to come up with titles when I need to, but sometimes I actually don't see it that necessary. Then I just use the song title as the video title and when this happens it's usually because...
1) Song name already explains the concept and/or theme of the video so well that no new title is needed.
2) I felt that I really am just making a music video for that particular song.. so it should be titled with the name.
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