"The Stolen Scream"

Bauzi · Post by **Bauzi** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 9:28 am

http://vimeo.com/20718237

Every AMVer should watch this video. It's filling me with a lot of thoughts and questions about what we do and how things work today. What are your thoughts on it?

Discuss.

outlawed · Post by **outlawed** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:13 pm

Bauzi wrote:http://vimeo.com/20718237
Every AMVer should watch this video. It's filling me with a lot of thoughts and questions about what we do and how things work today. What are your thoughts on it?
Discuss.

/smallest_violin ?

I will mention that many times over the years I have reminded AMV creators that while they worry about "copyright infringement" the fact that they never take time to consider "would a creator of a work be upset with how I portrayed his/her footage or song" to be most amusing.

BTW here's a better example of someone getting screwed for many years and he had a patent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Kearns

godix · Post by **godix** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 2:43 pm

I like that at one point he says if his photo is used for art then he's fine with it. It's only when money comes in that he says he gets bothered. I am curious why he says he can do nothing about it though. He's right that he probably can't stop use, but some of the examples were from countries with strong copyright enforcement. He could sue and win, at least in some cases.

Lirinis · Post by **Lirinis** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 2:45 pm

outlawed wrote: I will mention that many times over the years I have reminded AMV creators that while they worry about "copyright infringement" the fact that they never take time to consider "would a creator of a work be upset with how I portrayed his/her footage or song" to be most amusing.

I agree. It's totally amusing that amvers don't care about creators of original footage and music who could feel hurt when they see their song poorly cut or anime spoiled with poor editing or otherwise currupted. Yet when they find out that somebody on the tube used a piece of their amv, they are full of rage and talk about "stolen creativity" and how those ignorant people dared to put their hands on the masterpiece.

As for "The Stolen Scream", it doesn't look like an uncommon story. Myriads of art works flow through the internet and get misused. Some are more popular than the others.

godix · Post by **godix** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 2:52 pm

Also, I'll note there is an obvious lesson here. Once your work hits the internet, your control over it's distribution is gone. If people don't want someone stealing their youtube vid or whatever, then don't put it up there. I kinda have sympathy for people who's work gets stolen, but it's one of those 'Well what the fuck did you expect to happen?' type of sympathies. Never put something online that you wouldn't be perfectly fine seeing used elsewhere, often without your name attached.

Kariudo · Post by **Kariudo** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 3:01 pm

Misattribution is a problem, but if you're serious about protecting your IP...flickr probably isn't the best place to post it in the first place. Information on the internet spreads quickly, and it becomes hard to find the original just as fast (which makes proper attribution rather hard.)

I think a big part of this guy's problem with the use of his pictures is the thought, "because a face or name appears in/on it, that means that particular face/name supports it." It's an unfortunate automatic association.

Publishing work is a double-edged sword. It's hard to control how your work will be used once it's published. If you don't want people to misuse it, don't publish it. If you want people to see it, know that someone somewhere will misuse it.

Bauzi · Post by **Bauzi** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 5:55 pm

Lirinis wrote:
outlawed wrote: I will mention that many times over the years I have reminded AMV creators that while they worry about "copyright infringement" the fact that they never take time to consider "would a creator of a work be upset with how I portrayed his/her footage or song" to be most amusing.
I agree. It's totally amusing that amvers don't care about creators of original footage and music who could feel hurt when they see their song poorly cut or anime spoiled with poor editing or otherwise currupted. Yet when they find out that somebody on the tube used a piece of their amv, they are full of rage and talk about "stolen creativity" and how those ignorant people dared to put their hands on the masterpiece.

That was always clear to me. For me this video shows the enormous power of internet distribution and the remix culture. His work got damn popular and even a symbol of resistance in a country. It's too bad that he didn't got proper credit for it. It's an example who something get popular even without advertising. He never really wanted it to get popular in the first place, right? His art was so strong and good that it just spread itself over the world. That's amazing.

Nya-chan Production · Post by **Nya-chan Production** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 6:52 pm

I imagine Nostromo like this guy |:

BasharOfTheAges · Post by **BasharOfTheAges** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 6:53 pm

outlawed wrote:I will mention that many times over the years I have reminded AMV creators that while they worry about "copyright infringement" the fact that they never take time to consider "would a creator of a work be upset with how I portrayed his/her footage or song" to be most amusing.

Well that's the part most sane countries laws protect you from. Moral indignation holds no legal weight.

Sephiroth · Post by **Sephiroth** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 11:23 pm

I like this for the questions it raises. But in the end once you post anything out there when you make something there does become a point where if even in a legal sense it's yours it's really not. The way copyrights work needs to be worked out, no doubt about that. Credit must be given and if money made at least part of it it should go to the person who originated it.

My previous job was as a photo editor for a member of the Hollywood Foreign Press. Long story short because of how things have gone with the technology of photography (IPTC metadata is a nightmare which has no real agreed upon standard even though there is supposed to be one.) and with the nature of the business itself we tried to get things going, I had to leave after he was making it difficult to get paid (i need to eat and realized what financial troubles he was going through) I left. A few months later he committed suicide. I have no idea what's happened with his estate or photography rights. Given the way things have changed there are few photographers that aren't a part of a huge company like Getty and it is very easy given the resources of companies like this to do whatever they want, since it's very easy to just change data around. The original method there was an actual paper trail for photos. Now there is none.

That's the dark side of the digitizing of images. Something which i have had to pay a steep price for.

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