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CodeZTM · Post by **CodeZTM** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 10:12 am

blabbler wrote:woop-woop. let's all work extra hard to knock neverend out in the first round everybody.

and i want widescreen. seriously. 640x480? why? can we take a vote on this?

*sigh* I thought I explained this (albeit, not very well)

You can have your video you send to the judges (the MP4/AVI) in widescreen if you want.

BUT you MUST send me your final version in 640x480 letterboxed widescreen.

If people HONESTLY don't know how to do it, then I'll do it for them. Not everybody has widescreen footage, and it's a hell of a lot easier to letterbox widescreen than it is to crop out 640x480 footage (and it looks better too IMHO).

And for all you naysayers, this is a challenge. Remember? A competition. It's meant to prove *some* difficulty. If you're whining now, wait until you get a few rounds in.

mirkosp · Post by **mirkosp** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 10:58 am

Code wrote:[...]If people HONESTLY don't know how to do it, then I'll do it for them.[...]

Couldn't get any easier than

Code: Select all

spline36resize(640,360)
addborders(0,60,0,60)

So now they know how to do it and have no excuses. |:

Also, my 2 cents: wouldn't having also the same fps a better thing? It could be more troublesome than AR, I think...
/2 cents

CodeZTM · Post by **CodeZTM** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 11:03 am

Honestly, in past projects I've worked on with MEPs, I've never once had an Issue with FPS. But I suppose that 29.97 is what the final videos are going to be edited with. Thus, I'd love videos to be in that same format. Please and Thank You.

blabbler · Post by **blabbler** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 11:32 am

yes, but this is the wrong way round. 640x480 penalises anybody editing a widescreen source, and dramatically reduces quality. if we use 848x480, widescreen sources look sexy, 4:3 sources are represented at full quality with borders, everybody wins.
it's just as easy to compile them into one vid at the end.

-_-

CodeZTM · Post by **CodeZTM** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 11:42 am

blabbler wrote:yes, but this is the wrong way round. 640x480 penalises anybody editing a widescreen source, and dramatically reduces quality. if we use 848x480, widescreen sources look sexy, 4:3 sources are represented at full quality with borders, everybody wins.
it's just as easy to compile them into one vid at the end.

-_-

We don't judge what you send to us as your final (huffyyuv/lagarith). We judge you on what you send us as your MP4/AVI. Thus, if you want the "sexy" footage, then just make your MP4 Widescreen and letterbox your Huffy/Lagarith.

blabbler · Post by **blabbler** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 11:51 am

sorry, i phrased that badly. I don't mean penalised in terms of being judged, but in relation to the quality of the compilation vids.

640x480 just doesn't make any sense to me for a compilation. there are two options; crop some vids, or crop no vids... seems like a no brainer.

edit: damnit, i should proof read some of the stuff i write. for crop, read resize :/

CodeZTM · Post by **CodeZTM** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 11:58 am

Ok's let me show you exactly what I'm talking about.

Ayumix 2 - Fullscreen Source W/Widescreen Borders

Project Trinity - Widscreen Source W/Fullscren Borders

To me, the CCS footage in Ayumix Two looks too disproportioned, and the Haibane footage in Project Trinity looks good (with zero to no quality loss). Plus, having excess screen on the left and right sides truely bothers me more than footage left on the bottom and top.

Also, I'm editing two widescreen sources in WAFV, and I have to fit the same guideline. It doesn't bother me, and I don't see a real difference inbetween the two sizes.

blabbler · Post by **blabbler** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 12:09 pm

the most important factor in preserving image quality is retaining the same vertical or horizontal dimensions. since both proposed formats share the same height, that is the dimension you should preserve.
i understand your point about your preferred presentation, but the two methods are basically equivalent; preference will just depend on whether you have a widescreen display or not, as this dictates how prominent the borders will appear.
regardless, uncecessary resizing/cropping will hurt the final image quality.

/and edits some interesting spelling

CodeZTM · Post by **CodeZTM** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 12:15 pm

*sigh* I get what you're saying. I'll think about it

I just want it to look good.

mirkosp · Post by **mirkosp** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 12:16 pm

848x480, heh... for the once editing with 4:3 it would be either upscaling (which will probably look bad, although maybe not) or letterboxing the sides... which does look worse than letterboxing the top and the bottom, imho.

16:9 - I say let's make it a 768x432, if widescreen is so vital.
Widescreen sources get scaled down less than with a 640x360, thus more details. Fullscreen sources need to be upscaled less than with 848x480, thus less quality loss. Also, people editing with PAL, will have a PAL-friendly res (since 4:3 for PALs is 768x576, thus they won't have to upscale in order to crop fullscreen to widescreen)... and besides, widescreen is sexier. :3

4:3 - I think that there actually is no problem with a 4:3 MEP, since probably most of the people that are going to watch it, will watch it on a fullscreen monitor, probably with a 1024x768 resolution. Having an higher res would really help only if most people around here would have watched these on HD screens... and while I do believe quite a few people around here have them, they're no majority... and 640x480 would help keeping the filesize lower.

So basically, both 16:9 and 4:3 would have valid argumets, so what I think should be done is...
...letting the people editing with their source's native resolution and send us the mp4s for judging. Then, based on the amount of 4:3 and 16:9 vids that are sent in, the resolution of the various round MEPs will differ.
If in the first round there are only one or two widescreen sources, it would be best to just letterbox them. If, however, we'd have only one or two fullscreen vids (or perhaps not even one, heh), then doing the full mep 640x480 letterboxed would be meaningless, if not a waste.

What do you think?