Alright, let's do some dissecting:
OtakuMan Wrote:
Boy, THAT sure came out wrong! Oh man, is my face red on that one!I do NOT take anime I like and try and put it to my favorite music. That NEVER works! People may enjoy doing it, but it makes for a video that only the person who MADE it can love, or at least that person and a few others.
The point I was trying to make with that statement was that if you have an anime you like, and you have a certain piece of music you like, BUT NO CONCEPTUAL IDEA OF HOW TO PUT THEM TOGETHER, then it won't work. If the only common thing between the anime and the music that you have when making the vid is the fact that you like the two, then chances are slim that the video will really be good or amuse even you after it is put together.
I believe that to make a good video, you got to have a common theme or idea that holds the video together, that relates the anime to the song and vice versa. Here, it helps if the music and anime have a relationship that works well for one another.
HOWEVER, even if the anime and song DON'T mix well, a good video can STILL be made by using clever editing techniques, and this is where the true nature of being the AMV "Director" comes into play.
A good example of this is "Pop-Up Excel":
http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... hp?v=18817
The song is a somewhat serious song by Jewel, mixed with the hyperactive super-funny Excel Saga. The two, by nature, should not even come CLOSE to working. Yet, the editor got it so that the two somehow worked and worked FANTASTICALLY!
Now, a few quotes that struck me on the "share vids directly" versus "posting on the org" argument:
Knowname summed up my feelings exactly on the selfishness aspect. It seems awfully selfish to post a video on the board and NOT expect opinions, or even listen to the ones you get, good or bad! To use the org as a file sharing service that keeps hold of whatever passes through, to me, IS selfish! It's this notion of selfishness that got my goat to begin with!gosh I hope not... I hope nobody has to resort to file-sharing any more, I enjoy many videos from the offending few and you, I just want to understand how somebody could be so SELFISH and uninterested in comments toward how they can improve.
While this is an okay notion for most hobbies, I find a problem with this logic when applying to something that is shared with a wide audience. I think back to a scene from Comic Party...I do this hobby because it's fun. I make AMVs when I enjoy it, and I stop when it wears me out, frustrates me, or bores me. Then I'll probably pick it up again and keep going.
!!!SPOILER ALERT!!!
In this sense, I equate Doujinshi writing and drawing to AMV making. One of the most important things that you can get is opinions that explain how good or how bad you are. If you get bored or tired, and decide to stop, then that's okay, IF doing so is not leaving lots of fans or other people behind. It would dissapoint them!Our main character has just made a BAD doujinshi that didn't sell one copy! He had made a good one before, but the second one stunk and it was seen by the sales. He was trying to figure out what he was doing wrong, and eventually decides to give up on doujinshi. But what he didn't know was that he had made a fan during his time making doujinshi, and she was VERY eager to see his next work, even AFTER his bad doujinshi! She wanted to see him improve and continue doing what he did! He then decides to continue doing doujinshi for the fans, no matter how many or how few, and believes that in doing this, he can better himself at the doujinshi making!
Imagine if you were a good AMV maker, and then did a bad AMV. For one reason or another, it just didn't work. Would you then decide to just give up and quit? Or in another case, would you continue to make them half-ass? Or would you bite the bullet and work at making a better AMV, and even looking to re-doing the previous one to make it better!
If you're going to go public, expect opinions, both harsh and good, and the org is to strive to take AMV making SERIOUSLY! Sure we all come here to enjoy vids and share vids, but what's the point of doing so if there isn't any passion or desire to make them good! It doesn't have to be unique, or 100% original, but it should at least have some sense of quality to it, right?
For a minute there, I wasn't sure if you were being sarcastic or truly agreeing. After some re-reading I see what you mean! You are right that taking songs and anime that may not be your personal faves, does not mean that a good vid can't be created out of the two. You had an idea, implemented it, and it worked! Even if they weren't your all time faves, it worked, and you felt good about it!Totally agree! In fact I both hate akira and the song I used, castle on the cloud. I think it's a very mediocre song that's fun to listen to once but not good unless put with a video (much like many OST songs... imo, not many can really stand alone and wouldn't get a second glance if not for the moment). But putting the two together is one of the best things I'd ever done. It felt like I was watching Les Mis in the theatre except animated (to nameless anime... whatever).
If there was something that worked, but not my favorite, in either anime or music, I'd certainly be willing to give it a try!
Totally agree! Although was it me that said that thing about originality? I don't think I said that, did I?And again we get to: ORIGINALITY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IF THE COMPONENTS OR IDEA ARE USED OR NOT!! How could it?? Do you keep track of every obscure, unreleased amv or even unfinished projects??
No, it all depends on the Idea and how well it's conveyed.
You got a good point there that the best thing to do is to have the time and energy to be able to make the vids in order them to have a sense of quality around it. I also see your point about how some things can't be taught, and often times, the best thing to do is point people out in the right direction.what makes a "good" edtor, "good"? the video quality of their footage? nah... its the editing... and that can't be taught. you can show someone how to make a cut and manipulate a scene. but it's the editors own expereinces editing which makes them "good".
In defence of some n00bs, I think that it's a good trait to be as patient with them as possible. I've seen people marked off as total n00bs and their requests, but they weren't trying to be lazy or ignore the rules of the forums and threads, it's because they didn't know better because of one reason or another. I still answer questions from a fellow here named Amon_1, which he greatly appreciates since he lives all the way out in Monaco, and his English, while getting better, isn't perfect. Being tolerant and understanding has made him feel welcome here on the boards!
As far as music goes, you are right that an overused song or overused anime doesn't automatically = bad vid. The gripe I have is that for some of these, weeding through the bad vids to find the good ones, the one that best uses the anime or song, or even has a totally original idea surrounding either/or, can be a complete pain. Especially if you are browsing and not looking for anything in specific.i could care less if you liked it. i like it, and thats what matters to me.
I understand that if you like the vid, and someone says it stinks, that's subjective yes. But the thing that bugs me from Trythil is that it's not "vic bashing" that he's ignoring. He comes off as soundling like he's ignoring EVERYTHING OTHER PEOPLES SAY, GOOD OR BAD! For example, if you made a video that you thought was good, but someone thought it could use some improvement (as in they see your idea or point, but have some suggestions for key scenes or parts) and then posted some constructive criticism, would you ignore it just because it's criticism alone?
I think I came across incorrectly there. I am not saying that people should be banned for using the space for hosting their personal vids that they really only want 2 or 3 people to see, BUT...those who visit this site are "users" and are expected to be as such. you/we have no say in what or how this site is run. we can suggest things, but it's ultimatly up to phade.
...while the person who loaded the video has every right as a user to place it there, I would expect that as a PERSON they would have the respect to take what criticism or praise comes to them, and actually LEARNS from the comments people make. The common courtesy of being nice to others when they want to talk about your vids is something I would hope many vid creators would do.
The second thing I want to get across is that EVERYONE on this site is a critic and with the opinion system in place ARE ENCOURAGED TO BE SO! Criticism and ratings and opinions make the backbone of a good portion of the features on this site. To have a vid creator completely disregard these key functions and ignore other people, as if we don't exist, just comes off as selfish and rude. As users, we have also have the right to criticise videos, point out flaws, but the best way to do it, and the best way it is explained in the Opinions FAQ, is to be polite and offer constructive criticism.
I am in NO WAY advocating vid bashing like this:
"OMG!!!11 U R THE SUXORZ!! LOLOLOLO!!1111 \/\/h@t R U? Sum k1nd@ n00b!?"
That's just DUMB!
Dumb AND mean!
When I talk about criticisms and opinions, I'm talking more like this:
"I really liked your video using Naruto and the classical music piece from Pump It Up! Although the synching was off and made it hard to really get into the video. Perhaps you can re-make this one by going in with a different video player or two to check to make sure that the play-back is in synch with the music? If that doesn't work, then maybe there can be a way to get the synching better in your editing program? I really thought your vid had some great potential, but it needs to overcome the synching problem with the music in order for it to be really good."
I'm talking stuff like that! This, to me, is CONSTRUCTIVE criticism, and from what I read in the Opinion FAQ, this is EXACTLY why the Opinions section exist.
To ignore the opinions completely risks missing out on comments like this which can be motivational and helpful!
And finally...
You know, I've been having problems descerning the good from the bad ones because some vids, for some reason, don't have any opinions attached to them when 1, 2, or even 9 people give opinions. I can see WHO left opinions, but not read what they said. This then makes it very difficult for me to know if it's good or bad, and really makes searching for good vids difficult if the opinion isn't available. I know the opinions aren't given in the search results, but there seem to be more and more individual vid pages that don't have the opinions listed.or even better, stop downloading the "bad" ones! no one will care either way.
Why is that?
Well, enough out of me. I don't think I have time to post on this more for tonight, but I think I got enough of what I wanted to say across. Hope that helps!
~Otaku-Man
of course, i don't have nor the will to watch amvs all the time, so it's perfect for me.
Now I can stand being called a few things, but it really stings when I'm being called stupid! If I was truly a moron, I wouldn't be able to make the long argumentive posts that I am now!
