JCA - Organisation and Judge Nomination

[Kionon]

As for Bashar's suggestion, the issue is that an Editors Choice awards would give every editor a vote and the top video with the most votes would win. There would be no judging panel. There is a judging panel, so the final choice is up to the judges. Therefore it IS JCAs not ECAs.

How about Judges Who Were Active Editors This Past Year Choice Awards?

If you feel that strongly about it, we could call it the JWWAETPYCAs. Or would could just call it the Representative ECAs and not have the JCAs this year. Maybe alternate them?

[mirkosp]

As for Bashar's suggestion, the issue is that an Editors Choice awards would give every editor a vote and the top video with the most votes would win. There would be no judging panel. There is a judging panel, so the final choice is up to the judges. Therefore it IS JCAs not ECAs.

How about Judges Who Were Active Editors This Past Year Choice Awards?

If you feel that strongly about it, we could call it the JWWAETPYCAs. Or would could just call it the Representative ECAs and not have the JCAs this year. Maybe alternate them?

I think the "change the name" option was widely accepted be everybody actually. Let's call these RECAs and be done with it?

[Emotive]

Well now that you get into further detail, it does make sense.

The name IS an issue though - it wouldn't be if it was a stand-alone thing, but being that JCAs were ran in past years too without this rule I think it would be appropriate to change it a bit.

As for Bashar's suggestion, the issue is that an Editors Choice awards would give every editor a vote and the top video with the most votes would win. There would be no judging panel. There is a judging panel, so the final choice is up to the judges. Therefore it IS JCAs not ECAs.

That is one assumption, but with this same logic you can say JCAs are wrong too, because Judges don't even have to be editors. So there's some truth and some untruth in both of them. That said, I think ECAs are closer..

[Emotive]

As for Bashar's suggestion, the issue is that an Editors Choice awards would give every editor a vote and the top video with the most votes would win. There would be no judging panel. There is a judging panel, so the final choice is up to the judges. Therefore it IS JCAs not ECAs.

That is one assumption, but with this same logic you can say JCAs are wrong too, because Judges don't even have to be editors. So there's some truth and some untruth in both of them. That said, I think ECAs are closer..

Actually. Editors' Choice Awards is a pretty correct title when you think about it from a different angle. The judges are editors, and those judge-editors are the representatives of the editors who voted for them. So it's pretty much editors voting for editors, to vote for them.. EDITORING EDITORS EDITING EDITION.

Edit: Editors.

[Ileia]

Past JCAs?

Hey there Guys and Gals,

As many of you know, AnimeMusicVideos.Org anually hosts the Viewer's Choice Awards. (VCA) to commemorate notable videos within the past year via vote of the viewers. The Judge's Choice Awards (JCA) is a contest designed to complement the VCA's in order to provide a different viewpoint on the videos released within the past year. It is independently sponsored and is in no way affiliated with the actual AnimeMusicVideos.org VCAs aside from it coinciding with the VCAs and using its categories and semi-finalists.

Though the basis of the JCA is to have winners selected by judges, viewer participation is still necessary to nominate the judges and to help narrow down the field of videos that the judges will be choosing from. Hopefully, we can get a good amount of participation to help make this contest successful.

Below is a breakdown of each of the events:

Judge Nomination - This will take place in a forum, where anyone can nominate a judge, who will then be taken into consideration. Only one nomination of a judge be needed for that judge to be considered. There will be guidelines for judge nominations that participants can read over before nominating a judge.

Judge Selection - This will take place in a forum post that has polling (The org admins have granted me this request to make a poll for when the time comes). After the nominations have taken place, the nominees will be contacted and asked whether or not they would like to participate if they are chosen. Those who agree will be put in a poll and anyone is able to vote for a judge via forum poll. These polls will be limited to one vote per person, and also remain confidential. The top 5 judges will make-up the panel of judges for this year's JCAs.

Video Nomination - This will take place via forum post and email. Using AnimeMusicVideos.org's VCA categories, participants will be allowed to nominate any video released within 2007 (not limited to the org as long as the submission is downloadable) - All semi-finalists that are in the VCAs are automatically part of the contest. Therefore, these videos need not be nominated. As it stands, people will need to email me their nominees per category - I will setup some kind of template for people to fill out and then email to me.

Video Selection - The final pool of nominated videos will be shown to the public via forum post, and it'll be up to the judges to decide the winners. Depending on how many semi finalists there are per category - there will only be a handful from the video nomination round that will be added to the contest.

Final Judging/Winner Selection - This will be done by the anonymous panel of judges where a judging rubric (that will be available for the public to view) will be provided for judges to consider when voting. The winners shall be posted at the same time as the VCA winners.

Prizes and/or awards are currently being taken into consideration - I'm thinking a trophy or certificate is very likely for all winning videos/editors.

Judge Nomination/Selection Guidelines

Just a few guidelines that should be taken into consideration when nominating a judge.

- Has been around to have seen a large amount and a wide variety of videos.
- Not inclined to judge videos due to its sources and or editor that created such videos. (More likely to judge based on editing and overall composition as opposed to individual sources)
- Hates (likes) everyone equally.
- Would commit time and effort into judging all videos equally.
- Good amount of technical knowledge – ie: knowledge of many editing programs/techniques and having/maintaining good visual/aural quality in videos.
- *Likes to party, in bed.

I'm not finding anything to lead me to believe that it's peer-judged, editor-only. There were guidelines, but they weren't enforced rules, and even they didn't suggest that the judge should be an editor.

As many of you know, currently the Viewer's Choice Awards are going on. The Judge's Choice Awards is a contest designed to complement the VCA's in order to provide a different viewpoint on the videos released within the past year. It is a separate contest and is in no way affiliated with the VCAs. To be perfectly clear, this is not an org hosted event but rather an event which Koop ran last year and I'm reviving this year.

The basis of the JCA is to have judges select the winners rather than the general public. The public's participation is still needed though since they will nominate the judges. I believe last years contest was successful and hopefully this years will be as well.



The rules:

- The first part will be nominating potential judges. I will only accept nominations for OTHER people. Those who nominate themselves will be ignored unless someone else also nominated them.

- Once the nominations are over I will contact each person nominated and ask if they'd be willing to judge. Those who are willing will be voted on by the community. The five people with the most votes will be asked the judge.

- The pool of videos to be judged will be the VCA semi-finalists. Since not all videos were qualified for the VCAs judges will have the option of adding one video of their choice to any category. Each judge will view these videos and rank the top five in each category, assigning 5 points to the best down to 1. I then added up those points per category and, hopefully, post the winners right after the VCA results are announced.

- Judges will not allowed to vote in the categories they're nominated in.

- In the event of a tie I will act as a tie breaker, otherwise I will not be involved in the judging.

- The judges will remain anonymous during the voting process, it will be announced who they were once the results are posted.

- Judges will be asked to make a few brief comments on the videos they select. Some of those comments may be used publicly (EG, in the results thread) but will not be attributed. To address something that came up last year, I will not attribute any comments and will not release how individual judges voted. If the judges themselves choose to do that then they're certainly free to.

- People who served as judges last year will be eligible to serve this year if they wish (expect for myself obviously). For variety sake I would recommend you vote for different people though.

- There are no prizes other than bragging rights.

Can't find anything here, either.

[mirkosp]

As for Bashar's suggestion, the issue is that an Editors Choice awards would give every editor a vote and the top video with the most votes would win. There would be no judging panel. There is a judging panel, so the final choice is up to the judges. Therefore it IS JCAs not ECAs.

That is one assumption, but with this same logic you can say JCAs are wrong too, because Judges don't even have to be editors. So there's some truth and some untruth in both of them. That said, I think ECAs are closer..

Actually. Editors' Choice Awards is a pretty correct title when you think about it from a different angle. The judges are editors, and those judge-editors are the representatives of the editors who voted for them. So it's pretty much editors voting for editors, to vote for them.. EDITORING EDITORS EDITING EDITION.

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[godix]

Not to walk into dramas or anything, but I'll note my rules last year were essentially a carbon copy of koop's mostly because I decided to run it rather late and didn't have time to think about alternate ways of doing things. Part of it also was in my mind I viewed it as Koop's contest which I happened to be running, but even so I would have changed several things about the contest if I had the time. Still, Koop hasn't complained (that I'm aware of) about Kionon nor am I. Koop has put himself forward to be a judge, and while I haven't pushed to be one I also didn't withdraw my name when I was nominated, which could be considered implicit signs of support. If the two people who did the JCA previously don't seem to mind...

Not to say I agree with Kionon's rule. I think it's overly restrictive. On the other hand, Kio made an offhand reference to something that I think got overlooked. AWA Pro is generally viewed as a very respectable contest. If you don't make an submit a video to it, you don't judge it. Kio's rules are not all that different really. I don't see where all the fuss is coming from considering we've accepted AWA Pro rules without drama for years now.

Anyway, in the end, it's his call. If he decides the rule stays then that's really all there is to it. It's kinda annoying to see people who aren't willing to do jack shit for the community constantly whine whenever someone else does. Not all that surprising since it seems to happen whenever someone tries to help the community instead of snipe it to death, but still kinda annoying.

[Ileia]

Not to say I agree with Kionon's rule. I think it's overly restrictive. On the other hand, Kio made an offhand reference to something that I think got overlooked. AWA Pro is generally viewed as a very respectable contest. If you don't make an submit a video to it, you don't judge it. Kio's rules are not all that different really. I don't see where all the fuss is coming from considering we've accepted AWA Pro rules without drama for years now.

I didn't overlook it, it's just that AWA Pro isn't the same. Everyone who submitted gets a vote, not a panel of nominated judges. To make it like AWA Pro would be to let everyone who edited this year be a judge.

[Kionon]

I didn't overlook it, it's just that AWA Pro isn't the same. Everyone who submitted gets a vote, not a panel of nominated judges. To make it like AWA Pro would be to let everyone who edited this year be a judge.

It's a combination of AWA Pro and the Primary system. And I said that. Not every primary voter gets to be a delegate. Not every editor gets to be on the panel of judges. I eliminated superdelegates, but that's just because who would be the superdelegates? The admin team? Mods? Inner Circle? (this is a joke)

Godix defended my position much better than I could myself. If you really want to change it to RECAs, I guess I don't really care, but even if it is RECAs, it still involves a panel of judges, so I honestly don't see how calling it a version of JCAs is inaccurate.

So... ah... nominate sum fukkin judges plz kay thx.

[Emotive]