Need a Non-Military Opinion

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 7:56 pm

Discipline (GM) admininisters the copyright on behalf of the artists, with whom it resides despite common practice in the industry, which has always been questionable, never acceptable, and is now indefensible.

Nestorath69 · Post by **Nestorath69** » Thu Sep 25, 2003 6:37 pm

The primary necessity if the military is to defend 'our way of life' with FORCE. Your guns don't shoot happiness.

But no. We're too arrogant. You feel you have to die to 'defend your way of life?' I say that if we had the lines of communication open and we were able to express ourselves without holding back for fear of recrimination, I think that we would find that the military is, in fact a superfluous orginization with no basis for existence, except for the fact of fear. The need to protect something comes from the primal emotion FEAR.

I say, push the boundaries of humanity and forget the ways of savagery. Communication is the key.

I knock the military because of the stubborn need to try and communicate that there's no real need for it, if we all were willing to cast aside diferences and pride and communicate.

Those who are fully immersed in te military frame of mind and have willingly devoured the propaganda that they force feed us will think that What I speak of is impossible, and I must, in fact, be mentally unstable. I don't think so, but that's your opinion. Thanks for your time, I'm done.

kthulhu · Post by **kthulhu** » Thu Sep 25, 2003 6:58 pm

To my knowledge, there has never been a successful pacifist society. Empires have come and gone, true, but due to factors such as a lowering of the guard due to complacency, changing political ideals, or even just by being conquered.

It's in our human nature, not so much to fight, but to desire "the most", be it people, power, or physical objects. War is one of the ways that this need is satisfied - after all, if you control the people and the land, you also control the resources within the boundaries of said land.

Indeed, the desire to control is in many animals - from mammals to fish to birds. The human notions of nations, borders, politics, and culture, and the willingness to fight and defend them, are just higher, abstract versions of the tiger's notion of territorial boundaries.

Thinking we can stop fighting is not mentally ill, so much as naive and implausible. WE WILL ALWAYS FIGHT. Do you think the Chinese, with the oldest civilization on the planet, will lay down their culture, their pride, and their sense of being for an unworkable utopian vision? Do you think the US will just give up its influence for one? How about the various warring factions in Africa, mostly made up of men who know about nothing more than war, witchcraft, and weaponry?

Show me a major culture that has kept a consistent pacifistic stance throughout history, and then one can MAYBE consider the idea of laying down arms and living in world peace doable.

post-it · Post by **post-it** » Thu Sep 25, 2003 9:26 pm

T_T . to defend our way of life ?

- I'm sure the poor have a thing or two to day on that thought!

Knowledge is fine if you know nothing else and the bigger the weapon the better you may feel; but these are only smoke and mirrors and can never seek-out the heart of any conflict.
There is a third element to Power that everyone ignores and it had caused more problems than any divorce settlement - Pride.

Pride will make you feel good for a while, but it will also work against you as time goes by. The Third Element being Pride is too often confuse with, "I'm Worth It" thinking and no one ever address's THAT concept - I've often wondered why!!!