AMV Contests - This whole trolling issue

[dwchang]

Again...welcome to the (un)wonderful world of AMVs !

It's only as (un)wonderful as the person makes it out to be. Stressing about how many times someone's video gets entered into a contest and how many awards it has won is only adding uneccessary stress.

BTW I forgot to mention...as you can see from the emoticon..I'm just joking around...you gotta realize how pessimistic I am. I still have fun...don't worry about me

"With all this drama in the LBC, it's kind of hard being Snoop D-O-double-G..."

[mexicanjunior]

I also just wanted to add I loved that Yatta vid when I saw it at Akon ("bus! bus! bus!" :p ) and appluaded when it stomped on my poor Sasami video. I think it has every right to compete in as many contests as they wish it to. If people don't like that, make something better and beat it.

[Hitori]

I also just wanted to add I loved that Yatta vid when I saw it at Akon ("bus! bus! bus!" :p )

I really liked that one as well!! 8) Good stuff!!

If people don't like that, make something better and beat it.

Exactly!!


It got ominously quite on the mailing list since TJ -asst AWA VAT director- posted his thoughts on the issue.. 8)
I agree with him on everything TJ said!! *up*

[Castor Troy]

I also just wanted to add I loved that Yatta vid when I saw it at Akon ("bus! bus! bus!" :p ) and appluaded when it stomped on my poor Sasami video. I think it has every right to compete in as many contests as they wish it to. If people don't like that, make something better and beat it.

I enjoyed it alot and even voted for it as it drove my YYH/Memories video to the ground as well.

I get to see it at AX with no quality problems hopefully

[BaHaRa]

jeez, i just assumed all of a-m-v.org was anti-yatta by now. thanks for the compliments, they are very much appreciated!

[Vlad G Pohnert]

Ok,

Again, MY OPINION here and keep in mind I don't think anyone is right or wrong entirely, but I do hve to express my views on some of the suggestions stated here...

First of all, I can't believe someone would even Suggest having a entry feee (collecting money!) to offset costs.. And when people sell thier AMV DVDs to offset costs, the same person is in an uproar over charging money for AMVs even if it's non-profit... This is the WORST idea and will NOT solve trolling... It only means people with money (and there are lots of us out there) will be trolling and the poor people will not be able to enter period... And then how would we even know someone is not makming a profit and pocketing money!

Second, I don't agree with the solution to trolling of forcing people to come to a contest. If a contest wants to do it, will it is thier decision, but Say if I live in a country and can't even get a visa to the USA, so does that mean I can't enter a contest beacuse I cant come? Or how about if I am relativly poor and there is no close contest, so I can't enter becasue I'm not one of those fortunates to live within s\a short drive to a con! Personally I WANT to encourge international competition, not discourage it.. Besdes, most of use do make all effort to be there when we can..

Thirdly, Local cons should belong to the locals???? So if I was to only have local competition at Anime Evolution I would have less than 6 enties.

Lastly, AND MY WHOLE POINT. We can't even decide on trolling amoungst ourselves so who gives us the right to become the Troll police here and tell contests and creators what to do.. By some people's opinions, I've been a Troll and I can name a TON of other creators who would too
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Who gives us the right to to say who can and can't enter and how many times? Morally, I agree with there being limits (I beleive that and have my own judgement I follow). Now, we are all entitled to an OPINION and I don't see anything about descussing trolling or even stating an opinion on an individual considered to be Trolling, but YOU CANT FORCE THE PERSON to stop. Quite frankly this is up to each contest in how they handle it and define it. Each contest will have diferent definitions and criterial for DQing a Troll video and they are the ones who make that decision, not us... If a creator does not agree with a contests definition of Trolling. they do no have to send in an entry...

I will stand by all my descions I make for any contest I will run. If I feel a video is trolling by the rules I have set in place, I'll DQing it if it does not meet those rules, but even if others think that, but I don't, then I will let the video compeate.... Simple as that...

Vlad

[dwchang]

Lastly, AND MY WHOLE POINT. We can't even decide on trolling amoungst ourselves so who gives us the right to become the Troll police here and tell contests and creators what to do.. By some people's opinions, I've been a Troll and I can name a TON of other creators who would too
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Who gives us the right to to say who can and can't enter and how many times? Morally, I agree with there being limits (I beleive that and have my own judgement I follow). Now, we are all entitled to an OPINION and I don't see anything about descussing trolling or even stating an opinion on an individual considered to be Trolling, but YOU CANT FORCE THE PERSON to stop. Quite frankly this is up to each contest in how they handle it and define it. Each contest will have diferent definitions and criterial for DQing a Troll video and they are the ones who make that decision, not us... If a creator does not agree with a contests definition of Trolling. they do no have to send in an entry...

Vlad, always coming in late and repeating what I said j/k

With that said, I wholeheartedly agree. We can't force someone to do what we feel is 'right' and in the end it is up to the creator. We all have different opinion on this supposed definition.

At the same time, something that does need to be said since people are getting a bit pissy, is that we *can* discuss what our own morals are about this and what we follow. However as Vlad sid, we cannot enforce them upon others. There are a number of times I disagree with a person's choice, but at the same time I have no right to condemn them or force them to stop this behavior if it is technically allowed.

I'd be lying if I said I don't have my own definition and my opinion of others can be affected by this, but by no means can we as a community decide on this and well..ultimately agree upon it.

With that said, I think that a lot of people need to realize (on both sides) that we should be able to discuss this in a calm fashion and without pointing fingers. Now of course no one is "right" per se,...actually sort of everyone is right in their opinions on this matter and I'm sure it'd be interesting to see how others feel on this and how they correlate with your own views.

[Machine]

I started making amvs so that I could participate in all of these fun holy wars.

Amen to that Mr. Bogo

[BogoSort]

First of all, I can't believe someone would even Suggest having a entry feee (collecting money!) to offset costs.. And when people sell thier AMV DVDs to offset costs, the same person is in an uproar over charging money for AMVs even if it's non-profit... This is the WORST idea and will NOT solve trolling... It only means people with money (and there are lots of us out there) will be trolling and the poor people will not be able to enter period... And then how would we even know someone is not makming a profit and pocketing money!

If I see an established amv contest that ever decices to charge money for processing fees as an attempt to reduce the number of trolls, I may just have to take a bunch of those long hair troll dolls, and create stop frame animation of them reenacting various scenes from anime for a paid submission.

[Castor Troy]