Battle Royal: Mac Vs. PC

post-it · Post by **post-it** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 2:48 pm

I don't understand the issue here; you can not compare MAC ( G4 -or- G5 ) to a PC !! T_T

for starters, neither one was DESIGNED for "Animation" nor "Video Editing!"

the MAC, as you call it, is limited ONLY by your understanding of Pascel/Delphi Programming abilities.

the PC is limited by MicroSoft T_T ~_~ ___ !

some of my editing I do on the G5, convert it to mpeg, and then send it to a CD-R,
then I load the CD-R'd mpeg into my PC and finish the process - yes I use both ^^
and the final AMV is then encoded using Virtual Dub and Xvid.

if I need to update what I have done, then I CD-R it and load it back into the -MAC- T_T

..... the real issue here is, "Which is the better format for the NON-PROGRAMMER!" . . not MAC vs PC

traxx

- only my opinion!

alternatefutures · Post by **alternatefutures** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 3:56 pm

milatchi wrote:I don't really think that bargain basement hardware has that much to do with Windows crashing as often as it does. Not everything for the Mac is OEM Apple stuff. My RAM is not manufactured by apple or anything. I have 128mb of Samsung RAM and 512 of Joe Blow's RAM

I also know people who have driven down the wrong side of the road and haven't been in an accident or arrested by the police. That doesn't mean there is nothing wrong with going the wrong way. Similarly, you got lucky and recieved generic RAM (which is not Joe Blow's, but a Kingston, Corsair, Crucial or Samsung chip that just didn't pass their testing, just as the RAM Apple sells are not made by Apple, but simply have the Apple label stamped on them, ditto with Apple's LCD panels) that didn't screw up your system. Anecdotal evidence proves diddly squat, otherwise I'd have proven that the Mac platform is the most unstable system ever. The fact is, poor RAM is the most common reason for unstable systems (overclocking is up there too).

And post-it, don't tell Linux users that. They'd hate to know their Open Source PC is being limited by Microsoft.

milatchi · Post by **milatchi** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 6:55 pm

alternatefutures
By your logic if its not OEM its shit! "Why upgrade?" "Their could be a chance its bad.

" "I'll just throw my computer away and by a new one from the manufacturer." (ha ha ha I'm so great) Believe me their is bad hardware out there but you can't blame windows crashing on just that. Example My friend: (Webdesigner) uses is factory Sony VAIO 512MB of whatever SONY approved RAM and his 80GB Hard Drive for Dreamweaver and Photoshop that's all he does. No cards added no hardware mods nothing. Yet in the year that he has had his VAIO it has crashed countless times where as my G4 which I use to move video by the 10's of gigs has crashed twice on me in the year and a half I have had it. (and I've switched video cards once and added a new soundcard)
Example2: another friend (I'm not going to lie he doesn't do anything he is very lazy) got his new DELL 2 years ago I go over there to check it out. The third day he had it I'm sitting there he opens internet explorer it locks up (after numerous end task's he finally just had to hit the reset button) he had added nothing hardware wise to it (he's to lazy & doesn't know how)
That's DELL and SONY right there. To my knowledge DELL is the number one Manufacturer of PC's in the World and SONY has always been known for making pretty good stuff. So if you have a PC made by either one of those two throw it away its the reason windows crashes! Or send it to me

get rid of it now before you end up in computer hell with the Commodore 64 and TANDY.

I think what crashes PC's so much is Windows. You don't hear Linux people bitchin' about how their machines crash all the time (and Linux is primarily x86) I guess those Linux people got lucky and didn't get any bad hardware in those same machines that people run windows on that
crash because of bad hardware.

post-it · Post by **post-it** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 7:05 pm

alternatefutures . . Linux is nothing new to me ^_^ but C++ does have its limitations!!

hmmmm . windows crashing . . hmmmm . . . . I'm not really sure why MicroSoft is having these crashing problems; but I wish they would properly think-though their designs in engineering before they deside to use a Command.com instead of the Kernel like linux and MAC!!!

alternatefutures · Post by **alternatefutures** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 7:37 pm

Let's see, is it possible to buy high quality RAM that isn't OEM. Gee, what do you know, Corsair, Crucial, Kingston and Samsung all allow you to buy their RAM directly. And what did I say about anecdotal evidence? Fine, I've seen Linux distros crash and burn (which really sucked as it was being used as a web server), since you value anecdotal evidence so much, that should settle the matter for you. I can also tell you the story of the OS-X machine that just likes to randomly turn itself off. Guess what? Doesn't prove anything. Every OS sucks equally. Anyone who tells you otherwise doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.

kthulhu · Post by **kthulhu** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 7:38 pm

COMMAND.COM, as I recall, is like a DOS version of a Unix shell, NOT the OS itself. Basically, an interface for passing command data to the kernel. DOS, for what it did, was actually pretty good.

The Win9x code base is so unstable because it's a mess of code from previous versions, all designed to maintain compatibility with hacked systems, designed to overcome limitations. In addition, new features and hardware support are added that introduce yet another straw on the code camel's back.

The NT-based versions of Windows are pretty good, Windows 2000 especially (good hardware and gaming support, with high stability equals sweet). This is due to the fact that they started off with a good base (Microsoft's share of the OS/2 code), and Microsoft didn't market them as mainstream OSes.

MacOS only got stable recently with OS 9 (which had a lot of "clean break" code in it, as I recall) and X (total clean break, and based off a Unix type kernel). Previous to that, it was on the same level of shittiness as the Win9x systems.

Just my couple of cents.

Mr Pilkington · Post by **Mr Pilkington** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 8:14 pm

I chose to remain unbias on this topic. All I will say is that the G5 case needs to be modded in the worst, and most crinos way.

Propyro · Post by **Propyro** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 8:30 pm

LOL the age-old mac vs PC question ... well ok it's not age old ... it's only been going since the 80's ... Any ways it dosn't matter ... take a top of the line Mac and a top of the line PC. In the end it's pretty much jsut a matter of preference. If you know how to use a PC better then a mac, then the odd time you go to use a Mac and get the shit confused out of ou buy the diferent controls of course your going to think that it sucks, and vice-versa. i stopped caring about the mac vs pc depate when it almost caused a friendship of mine to go sour in grade 8, yea we took it a bit too far ...

Nightowl · Post by **Nightowl** » Fri Jul 11, 2003 5:35 pm

You know, I saw that stupid "Crash Different" mock video of the switch ads... and I always hear about Windows run PCs always crashing... but the thing is, neither of my systems really crash. Ever. I keep them all maintenanced, run checkups, and treat them right. And they get along just fine.

I really think of the PC/Mac thing as the Cats/Dogs argument... who gives a shit? My PC is faster at some things, my Mac is faster at some things. As far as I can tell, it's hack codecs and shitty software that crash. I mean, I have XP Home, and it doesn't crash - yet, I hear about XP Home crashing for so many other people. OSX has NEVER crashed for me. They're both very stable, and I get to use software for either Mac or PC...

Though I have to say, it helps if you have a system loaded with good equipment. I have that Aurora card in my Mac, and the quality of video it produces is just amazing - I ran tests against the highly touted HuffYUV and found it to look much better.

Regardless, I like both systems, and I use both - these things are tools. I mean, Danny Boyle shot 28 Days Later on DV, so the quality of frame was far below 35mm. Did that make the film any less brilliant? I don't understand caring about this crap - everybody should just respect one another. This debate is old and outdated.

Though I do agree with alternatefutures, and I'm not being sarcastic - some people have the ability to simply walk into a room and crash a large group of Macs and/or PCs. But add this to the experiment - find people who use both systems. From personal experience, people have yet been able to crash either my PC or Macs. They live in harmony! They are happy and crash free! Yeah for equality! Super happy fun time love of using things that are made of plastic and metal and all that crap! YEAH!!!

(This is why you'll occasionally find me arguing both sides of the... er... argument, because I like things that make things that I make because I made them so there.)

-N

post-it · Post by **post-it** » Fri Jul 11, 2003 5:48 pm

hmmm . . actually, neither my AMD 2500+ with WinME -or- my G5 with OS-X has ever crashed on me by itself . . . and I leave them running 24/7

I no longer use CD-R's between machines, a 3-way USB connection keeps this one ( the one I'm writing this message-on ) and my PC and MAC interconnected `just fine ^^

T_T . . yup - he said 3 machines !!!

Linux ( on-line ) MAC ( not on-line ) PC ( not on-line )

as a programmer, I need to have one of each at my disposal 24/7

if the truth were to be told, btw, Linux has crashed ,ore times than either Windows and/or OS-X ^^;;;;; . . . but that has more to do with my settings `more than anything else ^___^