Am I the only one getting sick of the AMV scene?

Corran · Post by **Corran** » Sat Mar 15, 2003 2:56 am

Although I been a member here for a few months, I have only recently begun posting here. Hopefully I can add another point of view to the thread.

I have longed for the chance to attend a con for some time now but my current situation prevents me from doing this, therefore my knowledge of the AMV scene/world is rather limited to this site… I come here looking for inspiration, to help people, and to share opinions with other creators. I look up to a lot of people here and down at others I suppose. Despite my brief time here I have seen shit happen and things that irritated me to the point that I vented in my journal…

I however am not turned away though. I find myself here around this time each day looking in the help threads for people in need or direction and doing my best to solve their problems. I find myself looking in the off topic forums for things I can relate to and offer my views on. And I find myself here in front of my computer reading these threads with great interest as it is one of few places I can discuss AMVs and ‘why the sky is blue’ with my favorite creators. I may be different from many of the newer posters in that I try to keep a calm head when I see a flame or a ‘newbie’ posting but overall I find this place great for general conversation and serious amv talks when warranted, provided they posted in the correct forums…

CaTaClYsM · Post by **CaTaClYsM** » Sat Mar 15, 2003 3:09 am

klinky, he's been 'lurking' half a year longer than you've been around. Just something else to chew on if post count matters so much, the amount of time a person has been around should also be factored in.
And I agree with firestorm aobut every last word he said. Maybe the reaosn why the forums have been flooded with n00bs is that eveyrone's been to easy on them, not enough n00b flaming going on these days.
( just kidding.) But Seriously, I am glad that people are being nicer to incoming forum members. And I acgree with Chaos Angel about the way people conduct themselves when posting. NO inhibition. Oh, and btw, Otaku Outpost, anyone informed you of why SpPanda hasn't posted in a while?

NME · Post by **NME** » Sat Mar 15, 2003 3:56 am

join date is bullshit. fuck it. if someone like outpost here hasn't made a move to improve the community itself and fix a problem that he sees, I really don't think that he has any fucking buisiness saying that something is wrong.

Remember, you're not a god because your join date is earlier than the person you're flaming.

Elitism is fun, but it only works if you're ACTUALLY better than the person you're berating.

CaTaClYsM · Post by **CaTaClYsM** » Sat Mar 15, 2003 4:06 am

NME wrote:join date is bullshit. fuck it.

I say the same is true for post counts.

RadicalEd0 · Post by **RadicalEd0** » Sat Mar 15, 2003 10:48 am

I like it here
but thats probably just cuz I'm an immature 16 year old oh gosh teehee

Really, thats why I was drawn in to this place. I'd been getting my video jollies off on Doom9 for a year already, so I knew what it was like to post in an el33t forum full of stiffasses, and coming here and seeing all the comical bullshit just sucked me in. The amount of uniquely hilarious people who posted here/hung out in the chat in June '02 did it for me.
Sure it was better back then, but as people come and go personalities change and the community evolves. You just deal with it. I havent stopped helping people out because AD and Ermac's new guide wiped out basically all intelligable questions about video, I havent stopped posting because a bunch of the cool people that were here in june have gone - alot have also stayed! I'm here because its like a family. Someplace where we can all bitch at, laugh at, and have fun with each other.
I wonder which is really the more closely knit group, the elite first gen creators that boycott the childish org, or us here? hmm...

XenoDrake · Post by **XenoDrake** » Sat Mar 15, 2003 12:27 pm

Intresting, and i agree wiht a lot of thos older gents, i miss the old days when it was more creators than fans. And not that the fans are a bad thing, they are what alot of this is about. But just like in the real movie industry, the actors and directors hang out with other actors and other directors. i dont mind that fans have become the grater population here, or that most of them are quite young, its the level of stupidity they openly display like its some badge of honor or something. At the two cons i have gone to, JACON and AWA, the people are just like me, and although thay are not all AMV creators, we all go to cons for the same reason, we are all fans of anime. but in the AMV rooms, its easy to see the seperation of fan to creator in the conversations and cliques that form. just like at the Tony awords, the actors hob-nob with the other actors, and AMVers with other AMVers. as for me personaly, the forums now are not a place to meat and talk with other creators, they have all left to other places, as have i, with the SWP forums. we are more creators then fans. hyperdermic has their refuge, and so forth. its getting to where the org is no longer the central hub for the end all beat all AMV meeting place. as for me personaly, i know more creators then fans, with AIM and email, so im not totaly jaded about the org changing, witch BTW is what i dont agree on, that the org has not fallen to anything, its simpley changing. I was not a part of that change so i cant relate to it. oh well for me i guess, but nothing like this is going to curb my creativity, editing is what io do, and looking like something i might prsue on a creere level, and i have nothing but the org to thank for that.

meh

my $0:02

~XenoDrake

OtakuOutpost · Post by **OtakuOutpost** » Sat Mar 15, 2003 12:55 pm

CaTaClYsM wrote:Oh, and btw, Otaku Outpost, anyone informed you of why SpPanda hasn't posted in a while?

No. What's up?

--Tony

OtakuOutpost · Post by **OtakuOutpost** » Sat Mar 15, 2003 1:14 pm

NME wrote:join date is bullshit. fuck it. if someone like outpost here hasn't made a move to improve the community itself and fix a problem that he sees, I really don't think that he has any fucking buisiness saying that something is wrong.

Uh, Didn't I just make a move to improve it?

I'm the kind of person who doesn't like to speak in a topic unless I can be somewhat helpful.

In terms of improving the community I have been doing that. I've been working towards getting companies to sponsor AMV contests at conventions. I also make and issue awards at AX which I pay for completely out of my own pocket. I am very active in the original AMV mailing list, of which I have made many MANY posts there.

Why don't I post often in these forums? Here's an example:
http://www.animemusicvideos.org/phpBB/v ... hp?t=11628

This poor person asks a simple question. They were given the answer through an indirect link by a couple of good people, which is cool. At this point I have noting to really say on the topic so there's no need to post. Then other people just go off. When the poor person comes back to read the topic and even comments on the crap he was given. It happens time and time again.

The other thing is the same topics keep coming up, and you here the same arguments over and over again. I've already put my opinion in on many of them, but I'm not going to do it in EVERY version of the thread that comes up.

These threads are about:
1) What contest judging should be like
2) The legalities of AMV making
3) The morality of AMV making, trading, and selling

How many times will people argue this crap before they realize it's pointless? Nobodys minds change, people have pretty much dug themselves into the trenches on those topics already.

So what's the point of posting 300 times other than to repeat yourself? I'd rather post 18 times and have them mean something than post 300 times and only say 5 relevant points and have the rest be mindless rambling and offensive language.

--Tony

CaTaClYsM · Post by **CaTaClYsM** » Sat Mar 15, 2003 2:38 pm

OtakuOutpost wrote:
CaTaClYsM wrote:Oh, and btw, Otaku Outpost, anyone informed you of why SpPanda hasn't posted in a while?
No. What's up?

--Tony

You may not know this, but a-m-v.org, went under a few changes, I don't know about how it exactly went but just from the way I see it. Everything was semi normal, then suddenly people got obsessed with post counts, and everything went to hell, there were one word threads getting hundreds of pages a day, the off topic and way off topic were utter chaos. Then after Phade took down the Board completely because something someone said pissed someone else off. There were suddenly new mods. These newe mods banned SpPanda. But in all honesty, he kind of left because he wanted to, the mods went and edited his threads to say stuff like "Sex with mommy=WIN!" or "I eat penis!" stuff like that. So I don't think he'll be bitching about your review anytime soon!

OtakuOutpost · Post by **OtakuOutpost** » Sat Mar 15, 2003 2:53 pm

CaTaClYsM wrote:Oh, and btw, Otaku Outpost, anyone informed you of why SpPanda hasn't posted in a while?

After doing some forum research I see SpPanda is still quite active in the forums with postings as recent as yesterday. He thinks that people who want to use this list to talk about AMV's (*GOD FORBID*) all have sticks shoved up thier butts, so he moved the majority of his comments to the off topic section (which I don't bother reading, since it's off topic).

It's ironic how polar our attitudes about forum conduct are. I'm upset because people thrash threads, and hes upset at people who don't like it when people thrash threads. It's really quite interesting.

As for his opinion, he's entitled to it. I'm glad that he's found a forum more suited to his outlook.

As for humor in a thread, I'm for it so long as it's relvant, isn't mean to any individual, and doesn't take the thread off topic to the point that it never returns.