Its wrong, WTF is wrong with Japan!
- Jiima
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When I first opened this thread I was about to make a comment, but it's already been covered about how anime robots are different. Now I haven't finished Hand Maid May yet, but you have to admit, for a person... I mean... robot that's only a foot tall, May's kinda cute. Now, you also have to remember that they draw the robots to look like humans. If they had drawn them to look like... oh... Robot from Lost in Space... things might be a little different. It's hard to see something that looks like a robot, actually have human emotions. But when the character's drawn to look like a human... I mean... come on. Although, you can't really say it's wrong when you've got people that would be more that willing to sleep with Shinobu from Love Hina. The girl's like 12 years old. Tell me that that's not sick.
- The Non-Professional
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Jiima wrote:I mean... come on. Although, you can't really say it's wrong when you've got people that would be more that willing to sleep with Shinobu from Love Hina. The girl's like 12 years old. Tell me that that's not sick.
Theres about 3.5 Million otakus ready to kill over that statement, Japan has so messed up our mormals, or whatever morals we had to begin with.
- burntoast
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ahaha...Jiima wrote:If they had drawn them to look like... oh... Robot from Lost in Space... things might be a little different.
"Danger, Will Robinson... I am... falling in love with yOu..."
but seriously, non, i like Chobits.

"Robots are going to be Man's next best friend."

- El Banana
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That debate becomes sooo much more interesting if you read "Battle Angel Alita" (read!).
Stayon on Dannywilson's train of thought, I personally believe that you can't transfer your consciousness... at least not with making a copy of your brain. If your brain dies, YOU die. However, whether the machine that thinks its you is "alive" or not is a whole other story....
I like bugging people. Deal with it.
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This doesn't fit exactly, but I thought it was worth mentioning. Most robots, from Bender to Marvin have human voices to speak with to at least describe their emotions. Sometimes it may sound like an adding machine speaking but they can explain at least. I remember in fact a funny commercial (perhaps Office Depot?) that had a robot trying to sell products and the customer picked up a printer. "Don't take her, I love her....*weeping...*weeping*" It got the message across.Jiima wrote: It's hard to see something that looks like a robot, actually have human emotions.
Well then look at something like the flying carpet from Aladdin. It didn't have a voice or even have a face to emulate expression but it got human emotion across rather well. Or take the Imac commercial where the computer sticks it's tongue (cd drive

Using these examples, I still say it's what the person interpreting the emotion feels when we get down to is it real or not. So, a human could fall in love with a robot, but I don't think even good AI could fall in love with a human.

- Wufei
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that's a good question i wonder what they did use in his time? anyways, yeah i really disagree with the Oedipeon complex thing though. i mean i've wanted to kill my father before but not for anything like that. actually though i'm not sure if i disagree with the ugly intentions thing in their subcontious though. no i'm not saying he's wrong, i mean i'm actually sure that in some cases he's quite right about males making up for their short comings with material things, it just pisses me off to think that he never thought of the reverse. i don't really hate him or any of his theories, after all theories are just opinions and they are never wrong nor right, they simply are.Propyro wrote:well i do remember reading that freude couldn't understand women for the life of him, and yes, some of the specific things you mentioned were way past freudes time, but i think they still had the problem with the painfully ight corssets ... no wait that was in the victorian era ... which was some time befor freude ... danm, i'm not sure what the women had to show off with and use as extensions of them selves ... prehaps a rich husband at freudes time? But as for calling him an idiot, your not alone, lots of people thought he was a nut job for suggesting that infants were programmed with basic sexual drive, and that all men have an Odepheus complex (that we want to kil our fathers and sleep with our mothers). Freude also went and said that people often had quite ugly intentions burried in toeir subconcious ... lots of people didn't like him for that stuff. When your shown a truth that you don't like it's usualy kinda natural to hate it.
Fighting weak oponents leaves me feeling so empty inside.
- CaTaClYsM
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what about the gays? do they want their mothers dead so they can screw their fathers? Don't take it wrong, I'm just saying there were a few things freude didn't exactly factor in.
So in other words, one part of the community is waging war on another part of the community because they take their community seriously enough to want to do so. Then they tell the powerless side to get over the loss cause it's just an online community. I'm glad people make so much sense." -- Tab
- Jiima
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Yeah, I know. But Shinobu, besides the fact that she's 12, pales in comparison to the other Hinata girls. Especially Motoko and Naru. But that's just me.The Non-Professional wrote:Jiima wrote:I mean... come on. Although, you can't really say it's wrong when you've got people that would be more that willing to sleep with Shinobu from Love Hina. The girl's like 12 years old. Tell me that that's not sick.
Theres about 3.5 Million otakus ready to kill over that statement,
- kthulhu
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If the person's brain data was downloaded and stored in a digital format (pure digital), then that person could be considered a "natural AI" program, at best, and just a bit dump, at worst.
People may say "But they can talk, and their personality is still intact! They must be human!"
Not so, necessarily. Human communication is more than just speech. Body language, hand and eye gestures, things like that help people decipher the meanings, both obvious and subtle, of a message.
For that matter, too, humans, from birth onwards, gain a subliminal idea of how humans act. Even a humanoid cyborg, or humanoid robot, could very well never pass for human. They just don't have the "feel", yet. Even something simple like a cat or dog robot doesn't pass.
So, I'd say a digital consciousness is NOT human.
To summarize, "killing your father" could suggest a form of rebellion.
"Sleeping with your mother" could suggest that men, at least, when looking for a partner, subconsciously look for a reassuring presence above all else. For many people, male and female, this presence most often takes the form of their mother. For a man, "to sleep with his mother" usually means finding a woman that exhibits as many of the same qualities of his mother as possible - a reverse of "killing your father", one could say.
Freud was apparently somewhat male-centric, which is why many of his theories aren't totally applicable to modern psychology.
It depends on the system design somewhat, but I'd say no. If their brain is hooked in to a computer permanently, one could say that the entity is a cyborg, a combination of biological tissue and electronics/mechanics. Typically, we think of cyborgs as humanoid beings, ala the T-800 in the Terminator movies, but one could probably broaden the definition to include a brain in a jar with wires running out of it, hooked to a processing and display computer 8) .Dannywilson wrote:Ok, here's one for you. What if someone had terminal brain cancer, and they digitally translated their consciousness into a computer based brain? Are they still human?
If the person's brain data was downloaded and stored in a digital format (pure digital), then that person could be considered a "natural AI" program, at best, and just a bit dump, at worst.
People may say "But they can talk, and their personality is still intact! They must be human!"
Not so, necessarily. Human communication is more than just speech. Body language, hand and eye gestures, things like that help people decipher the meanings, both obvious and subtle, of a message.
For that matter, too, humans, from birth onwards, gain a subliminal idea of how humans act. Even a humanoid cyborg, or humanoid robot, could very well never pass for human. They just don't have the "feel", yet. Even something simple like a cat or dog robot doesn't pass.
So, I'd say a digital consciousness is NOT human.
I think it is a metaphor of sorts. "Killing your father" would suggest, essentially, intentionally not exhibiting a similar psyche to your father. You don't act like him, you don't think like him - basically, rather than carrying on your much of your father's psychology (and essentially keeping him "alive" for another generation), you create your own, and your father's psychological makeup dies. You become your own totally unique person, although whether it is good or bad depends.Wufei wrote:that's a good question i wonder what they did use in his time? anyways, yeah i really disagree with the Oedipeon complex thing though. i mean i've wanted to kill my father before but not for anything like that.
To summarize, "killing your father" could suggest a form of rebellion.
"Sleeping with your mother" could suggest that men, at least, when looking for a partner, subconsciously look for a reassuring presence above all else. For many people, male and female, this presence most often takes the form of their mother. For a man, "to sleep with his mother" usually means finding a woman that exhibits as many of the same qualities of his mother as possible - a reverse of "killing your father", one could say.
Freud was apparently somewhat male-centric, which is why many of his theories aren't totally applicable to modern psychology.
I'm out...
- The Non-Professional
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Motoko and Mutsumi for meJiima wrote:Yeah, I know. But Shinobu, besides the fact that she's 12, pales in comparison to the other Hinata girls. Especially Motoko and Naru. But that's just me.The Non-Professional wrote:Jiima wrote:I mean... come on. Although, you can't really say it's wrong when you've got people that would be more that willing to sleep with Shinobu from Love Hina. The girl's like 12 years old. Tell me that that's not sick.
Theres about 3.5 Million otakus ready to kill over that statement,


