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ssgwnbtd · Post by **ssgwnbtd** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 3:35 am

As long as AMV Hell 4 still wins everything, that's fine. Also, I didn't read anything in this thread.

TaranT · Post by **TaranT** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 4:28 am

Keep it simple. One judge. MCWagner.

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Greggus1 makes a good point. The vids that are likely to be nominated - out of that set it's likely that most, if not all, were sent to AWA in one contest or another. They've already been judged by a select group or groups of people. So, it's as if you're just asking for them to be judged by someone else.

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K wrote:...I do think though that nomination of videos, not directly entered by the editor's themselves is a possibility, I just don't know how many videos will end up being nominated ...

One possibility is to use the VCA finalists as the set of vids to be judged. The count would be reasonable and in a sense, they have been "nominated" by the community at large.

godix · Post by **godix** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 4:37 am

Some semi-random ideas:

As others said, let people nominate videos of other creators. Most of the people who couldn't win the VCA popularity contest also don't pay attention to the org/forums so wouldn't nominate themselves. I'd take this a step further though, people can ONLY nominate others and nominations for their own videos will be ignored. Lets face it, if there isn't at least one person other than the creator who would nominate it then what are the odds it's worth wasting the judges time with?

Set a limit on how many videos a person can nominate so you don't end up being spammed like the VCA categories are every year. Also keep a list right on the first post of the contest thread letting people know what videos are nominated. There's no point in a video being nominated more than once so a list would let people go 'the video I was going to mention got nominated already so I'll nominate this other video that was pretty good instead.'

If this is not going to be officially sponsored by the org then there is no reason to limit it to just org videos. Akross for one has many good videos that never get in the orgs database. Let people nominate stuff not on the org as long as it's an anime video and is available somewhere on the net.

Don't let people opt out. The goal shouldn't be to give awards that are 'the best comedy of the year is by someone who intentionally DQed themselves so we'll all just pretend this other video was best' like the VCAs are. If someone wins and refuses the prize (if there even is a prize) that's fine, but they're still the winner.

You'll have to decide what to do if a judge ends up having a video nominated. I suspect it'd probably be easiest to give a judge the choice of recusing themselves from the category or to vote as long as they aren't voting for themselves. Quite a few people are honest enough to recognize a better video than theirs and vote for it so they should have that option.

You need to decide if MEPs will be considered in the same category as solo videos or not. The reason MEPs are separate in the VCAs is that they gain more notice and popularity than most solo videos & can have many creators voting for themselves, both of which make them unfair competition against a solo video in the VCA style voting. Neither would be an issue with the nomination and judging you're setting up. OTOH MEPs do have some different aspects to them then solo videos do, like how well the tracks transitioned and so on, so maybe they should be judged in a separate category.

Brad · Post by **Brad** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 5:41 am

I was expecting this thread to be "Jay's Choice Awards"

I'm disappointed :\

(but yeah, I endorse the idea as well)

godix · Post by **godix** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 5:51 am

TaranT wrote:Greggus1 makes a good point. The vids that are likely to be nominated - out of that set it's likely that most, if not all, were sent to AWA in one contest or another. They've already been judged by a select group or groups of people. So, it's as if you're just asking for them to be judged by someone else.

By the same standard the VCAs themselves should be canceled. After all I can almost guarantee you this years Best MEP will have had an AWA showing and probably most other category winners will have been seen at AWA as well.

I don't see this being any more redundant than the fact AWA, Acen, anime expo, otakon, and every other con linked in your sig all have contests.

Bauzi · Post by **Bauzi** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 6:33 am

I think it´s a very nice idea and if you ask me: I don´t feel that such a JCA needs prizes or something.

If this is not going to be officially sponsored by the org then there is no reason to limit it to just org videos. Akross for one has many good videos that never get in the orgs database. Let people nominate stuff not on the org as long as it's an anime video and is available somewhere on the net.

Exception: YouTube and other streaming sites with really bad quality. Please.

Overall, Godix brings really good points I like. Nice ideas!

Kristyrat · Post by **Kristyrat** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 12:00 pm

Was wondering when you'd post this

You know what I think, but I'll summarize for those that don't.

Yes.

Long version? VCAs, lets face it, often get ridiculed. It is a popularity contest, and more often than not, deserving videos are missed. Granted, these same videos might miss out as well because they aren't entered into JCAs, but then it's more the responsibility of the editor, rather than the whims of a crowd. It's funny, because when Jay mentioned this to me, I figured it would stir up a fair bit of controversy, but it seems that the majority of 'old-timers', lets call them, are sick of the VCAs?

Also, do we get to suggest categories? (Best Use of Ellipsis? :>)

[Kristyrat]

JudgeHolden · Post by **JudgeHolden** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 3:26 pm

Only if the Judges are a true cross-section of the Org and not just a who's who of friends and other things ....

BasharOfTheAges · Post by **BasharOfTheAges** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 3:34 pm

JudgeHolden wrote:Only if the Judges are a true cross-section of the Org and not just a who's who of friends and other things ....

It's hard to think it would be anything but that though.

krzT · Post by **krzT** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 4:30 pm

I also feel this is a good idea, but with certain restraints. I can't imagine that something like this would be able to be implemented any time soon, at least the actual contest and video nomination portions anyway. Just as others have said, this would be a great thing to see if done carefully under the right planning. But just as no "ideal" contest exists, you're going to end up stepping on some people's toes ultimately. I guess you'd just have to consider how many toes and to what degree they're stepped on. =P