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Post by Lyrs » Tue Nov 19, 2002 1:22 pm

I have to say watching eva is too good of a way to become depress to try everyday.

Eva = depressant

Don't do Eva.

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Post by Aetherfukz » Tue Nov 19, 2002 5:10 pm

Well, I think it's the other way 'round! True, NGE is often depressing, but in the end, it finishes with hope and value - I won't say how it finishes because of possible spoilers, but I think ya all know. To me, in the end, it all had meaning. Shinji had a meaning. And that is what counts in life :o
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Post by UncleMilo » Tue Nov 19, 2002 11:25 pm

Hear! Hear!

Evangelion has very powerful messages and is one of the bravest series I have ever seen. I was very uplifted at the end... but the issues are certainly complex and it explores the questions many have gone over for ages and ages... and this was just one man's view.

I know a lot of younger watchers are unlikely to understand the show, although some might...
it's just that many of the issues they discuss don't even come up until you reach an age where you begin to seek out your own identity...

In America, that age is 16 - 18
In Japan, that age is 14 - 16

Note that coming of age stories in America are set in High School... and usually the characters are 16 or 17

while

coming of age stories in Japan are often set where the characters are aged 14 or 15.

Again... these are just GENERALIZATIONS

Some people start asking questions about themselves here in the US at a younger age and begin to come to terms with looking beyond their own needs and becoming aware of the needs of others.

People who get Evangelion will understand what a positive message the show gives us. It is an amazing and moving series and I get frustrated with people who just want to force the show into simpler messages that are easier for them to understand... and blame the show for their not getting it.

Anyway... I just wanted to su[pport Aetherfukz and what he was saying.

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Post by Sub0 » Wed Nov 20, 2002 2:57 am

UncleMilo wrote: Again... these are just GENERALIZATIONS
yes... they are. and with little basses. it's not like the twelve year olds in the series ever hit any profound realization that any 12 year old put through the same shit wouldn't a figured out... in fact the first half is basic 12 yr old stuff ;-p.

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Post by Aetherfukz » Wed Nov 20, 2002 3:16 am

UncleMilo wrote:Hear! Hear!

Evangelion has very powerful messages and is one of the bravest series I have ever seen. I was very uplifted at the end... but the issues are certainly complex and it explores the questions many have gone over for ages and ages... and this was just one man's view.
This is so true! Brave describes the show almost the best. Like Shinji, at first really a nothing, with no meaning in life, but eventually turning out that he really has value in life. This is what so many people are searching for - value. And about NGE being just one man's view: Anno got over his depressions when doing Evangelion, so it sure has to have a positive meaning in the end...
People who get Evangelion will understand what a positive message the show gives us. It is an amazing and moving series and I get frustrated with people who just want to force the show into simpler messages that are easier for them to understand... and blame the show for their not getting it.

Anyway... I just wanted to su[pport Aetherfukz and what he was saying.

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I also get frustrated when people come like "Wow - Evangelion, it has those really cool EVAs, and cute Asuka and Rei, and Misato! The fight scenes are sooo great! I love them, although I don't know what the hell it was all about...". OK, true the fight scenes rock, the EVAs are cool, and the girls cute. But Evangelion isn't about 3 kids fighting angels. It is about 3 kids (or one man, whichever view you like :wink: ) overcoming his own weaknesses and realizing that he has the will to live, and start living.

And thanks for the support, Uncle Milo! :P
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Post by UncleMilo » Wed Nov 20, 2002 6:00 am

Sub0 wrote:yes... they are. and with little basses. it's not like the twelve year olds in the series ever hit any profound realization that any 12 year old put through the same shit wouldn't a figured out... in fact the first half is basic 12 yr old stuff ;-p.
Uhhhmmm... the characters are NOT 12. The characters reach MANY profound realizations... SHINJI makes a realization that many people who are in their 20's and 30's haven't made (and I can tell based on certain people's posts)

Furthermore, the beginning of the series ISN'T basic 12 year old stuff... unless you're just watching the big robots go boom... which just proves my point that some people just want to ignore a lot.

In the first episodes we are already dealing with broken families, Khabalic references, difficulties of social interaction, confuision of identity, ideas of self-sacrifice and so on.

I know that when I was 12, I was certainly tackling some advanced ideas (I was really into mythology and I started reading books like Urshurak and The Hobbit and at 13 I read Lord Foul's Bane) and I certainly faced some of the issues that Shinji was still dealing with (such as being an outsider and not getting along with kids) but I certainly was still in a mode where my own thoughts, feelings and needs came first... because I was still a kid... Hell...I wasn't even thinking about sex or girls at 12, which would of course be a whole other collection of issues in a short 3 years.

I know a lot of kids in the US think High School is the whole freakin' world when they are in High School... but all it takes is a year past High School to know how small and insignifican it is.

If you honestly believe that people's lives and perspectives on life don't change over time, then you are really deluding yourself.

My point was that younger people are going to miss a lot of what Evangelion is about, not because they are stupid, but simply because they just haven't had enough life experience to grasp some of the questions and some of the issues that are covered in the series.

As a bad example - most kids don't think about the trials and tribulations of being a parent. You just accept your parents as being there to provide for you and so you often act like they should be doing that... but as you get older, you realize all the sacrifices they had to make in their lives to raise you and take care of you and supply you with clothes and food and toys and so on... It's not that you are stupid as a kid... it's just you don't have the perception and understanding at a younger age... but then as you get older you learn things about life

Obviously, kids from broken homes learn life lessons at a younger age or kids who have to grow up in harsher conditions...

Anyway... I don't have time to write on and on about this, because this topic could have books and books written on it (and there are many books on these subjects) but I'm just talking fast and loose in the short amount of time I have to write this post.

There is a lot of basis on what I have to say, though. I am not a grand sage on the subject, but I have done some studying in the fields of psychology and philosophy not to mention that I have seen life around me and I have seen how people behave at different ages and I have my own life experiences to build on.

I don't see where you can claim that what I say has no basis at all. (I'm assuming that was the word you were trying to spell)

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Post by UncleMilo » Wed Nov 20, 2002 6:02 am

Aetherfukz: Feel free to e-mail me at unclemilo@yahoo.com to talk about EVA more.

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Post by Mroni » Thu Nov 21, 2002 6:06 am

Lol the deep hidden messages in Eva. Well here we go Mr Onis undeniable truths about Eva.

1.Shinji is a wuss=Any argument you can put forth against this has 2 counterarguments

2.Asuka is a bitch. She is an undeniably hot chick but her personality makes her completley unnatractive kind of like Nadia.

3.Killing off Misato is a sin against god.

4.Hikari and Toji are the two most interesting characters in the show and demanded far more developement. Since Hikari is also the hottest female she needed to have alot more swimsuit scenes.

5.The ending sucked only people on crack try to say the ending was good. At least he could have finished strangling Asuka. Once again more proof that Shinji is a wuss.

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Post by UncleMilo » Thu Nov 21, 2002 7:53 am

Ahhh... I knew Mr. Oni would jump in and spout out his stupidity. I simply have to comment.

1) Shinji is a very complicated character, representing the inner turmoils many of us face. He is introverted and has so sense of value or self worth. However, he overcomes his MANY obstacles, he suffers great pains and makes huge strides and in the end finds his worth and his value. Mr. Oni having a thug-like mentality simply calls Shinji a wuss and thinks this is an accurate description. All this opinion describes is Mr. Oni's own underdeveloped personality. I could go on and on with this topic, but I have limited time here.

2) Asuka is attractive and she certainly has bitchy qualities. However, Asuka has skill, talent and a brain... she put herself on the line more than once. She certainly suffers from pride and inner problems, but all in all, Asuka is almost the same as Shinji... except that she hides her problems with an extroverted defense mechanism instead of withdrawing as Shinji does. Simply reducing Asuka to a simplistic 2-D character as you have done shows how much you are missing... but given your thug-like mentality that you frequently show on this board, your views are not suprising at all. Once again, I could go on with this topic, but time is pressing.

3) Misato's death was tragic, but we know from the TV series that her living essence was absorbed into the "mass-mind". In the movie, we actually see Misato killed, but just before the explosion, we see one of the many Reis... this scene makes it clear that though Misato's essence was collected before the explosion. It would have had to have been collected if Shinji is able to explore her memories during the end of the TV series. However, everyone is disembodied during Third Impact with the exception of Shinji. This would take a lot of time to discuss, but I'm seconds from having to leave.

4) I think Hikari and Toji were great characters, but they certainly weren't the most interesting. I think a lot of effort went into the development of the background characters, but they ARE background characters and for the story to have the correct pacing, you can't spend too much time on them. The show gave them a lot of background for the time we had them.

5) The ending of the movie "End of Evangelion" was not very good. I have very mixed feelings about the movie... but the ending of the TV series was amazing and powerful and important.

I am disturbed to read that you think Shinji would be more admirable if he had killed Asuka... however... given other posts you have written (including comments on how you wish you could shoot me dead), it is consistant with your thug-like mentality.

Given what I have read from you ever since I came to a-m-v.org, I can easily tell that Evangelion is WAY WAY over your head and I think you would just do everyone a favor by steering clear of Evangelion discussions.

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Post by Wykith » Thu Nov 21, 2002 3:58 pm

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The ending of the movie "End of Evangelion" was not very good. I have very mixed feelings about the movie... but the ending of the TV series was amazing and powerful and important.
SPOILERS!
I must say I agree with everything you said on your post except for this little number. Most kids today would be insulted if you called them scared, insecure and confused. Even if almost everyone ages 12-what, life? Can be easily described as such. Some hide it with bravado, some hide it with a smile as fake as plastic surgery, while others, the rare ones, show it openly. I'm sure a lot of people would have loved to have seen the more generic brand mecha hero. Though not free of his issues, they do fade away when locked in the heat of combat. Shinji had to deal with it in and out of the battlefield.
You might have gross delusions about yourself but I would love to know how you would react knowing you were a young man, trying to find his place in the world, not quite knowing who he is, and being given the responsibility of protecting your entire species by going against the word of your own god and creator and slaying his messengers. Now try being stuck in a creature with a mind of its own that is compleatly unpredictable and has the nasty habit of LIQUEFYING you.
Anyway, back to the point. I found the end of evangelion to me a true masterpiece. The end of all humanity. A new adam, a new eve, a new chance at a better life. All of us return to void to be born again. Our souls, our destinies, our future, put in the hands of......a wuss? No....I don't think so. Shinji might not be a playa' or a thug or a pimp. But he's got more balls than any bitch ass thug I've ever met.
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