Originality Score

[godix]

Hmmm, apparently in my world downwithpants and madbunny are the same person or something. Whoops. Sorry about that.

[Prodigi]

BTW every person complaining about the originality score in this thread has an above 8 average recieved score. Most have above the sites average for originality. And yet they still complain about getting 'low scores'. Hey guys, just because it isn't a 10 doesn't mean it's a low score.

if that's why you think i started this thread in the first place, then you are horribly mistaken. I started this not for my own benefit, but rather for the benefit of others. I'm actually VERY happy with the op scores i've gotten from others. For instance, one of my videos has pulled 27 opinions. 24 of these ops don't contain an opinion below the 8 mark. But 3 of them have opinions with scores as low as 4, but i don't dislike these opinions any less, simply because each of the people gave their reasons.

This thread was started because i wanted to express that i felt the Originality heading was becoming a bit redundant. I started this thread so that i could see what others around me felt about it. It seems many of you disagree with me, and i'm happy for you. In fact, sometimes i wonder why some of you have to get so hostile over something so small.

Opinion Exchange. That forum is there to serve all your egotistical circle jerking needs.

But everyone does videos for their own reasons. Perhaps ratings are not important to some of you. But to many others, they are very important. Those are the ones I'm taking into consideration, since I am one of them, and most people I know are as well.

Then you, and everyone like you, needs to get over your numerical obsessions.

Wait, here's an idea, lets make the entire thing optional! If a viewer doesn't think originality/video/whatever is important he can NOT LEAVE AN OP! WOW! And if a creator thinks <insert catagory here> is unimportant they can IGNORE THE SCORE IN THE CATAGORY! DOUBLE WOW! What an amazing idea! It's so crazy that it just might work!

Don't you think it's a little ridiculous to be hostile over a small little suggestion that was made? Yes, you have the right to express your point of view, but that does not give you the right to attack someone without even possibly considering what they are writing.

Trythil - i think _Ice-Angel_ has a very good point. Ratings are important to probably 98% of the AMV population. The only people who you find that would not really care would mostly be the people on the Top 10% list, or people with high exposure, because why would they need to care then? If their video has high exposure then they don't need to worry about higher values under the opinion scores to get them a few more downloads, which ultimately is what this is all about. People make music videos to express themeslves. Yes. But a good majority of the reason of making music videos is also due to people watching them. We want people to see what we consider our art. You think Da Vinci painted the Mona Lisa just because he wanted to express himself? I think a good part of it was to impress others. But if you disagree, then fine by me. You don't need to turn around and act like _Ice-Angel_ is some kind of twisted person for wanting higher values in her op.

Sure we should create an AMV if we feel a particular combination works so well, and we have so many great ideas for it. But for what? To watch it go on AnimeMusicVideos.org and watch as the hits tick up once every month?

Opinion Exchange. That forum is there to serve all your egotistical circle jerking needs.

I don't know how often you search through the opinion exchange forum, but you'll usually find in the first post of most threads:

"Hi, i'm <insert name>.
I'm giving away free opinions/1:1 opinions/etc and so if you could leave the link to your video, and list it's anime and song i will get around to it straight away.
I will not op DBZ, DBGT, Linkin Park songs, Evanescence song, etc, etc."

That is the commonly found op exchange. Even the greatest op exchange thread of all time, The Critic's Thread, says "No DBZ".

If you go into the Op Exchange forum right now you will find a minimum of 5 threads that are wanting exchanges on their Advent Children videos. I don't forsee many of them getting more than 3 exchanges, unless their names happen to be Fluxmeister, or Koopiskeva, or Kevin Caldwell.

In the world of AMV's, the likelyhood that you create for yourself, and ONLY for yourself, and are happy to sit back with 0 hits on your video is highly unlikely. If it's true for you, then i look up to you. The sad reality is, people want downloads, and if you don't have high exposure and a household name, then you better hope you can get some damn high scores to get people to notice you.

Once again i just wanted to say what i felt, and see what the opinions of others were. If you disagree, fine. Just be a little less of a jackass at the same time, especially those of you who are attacking _Ice-Angel_ just because of what she thinks, because that's just disgraceful conduct, especially coming from such respected people in the AMV community.

[godix]

Ratings are important to probably 98% of the AMV population.

Yeah, probably. So what? The entire point of the rating system is NOT to provide an ego boost. If that was the reason I'm sure it could be arranged for every uploader to recieve a little gold star, an automated 'Great job!' message, and an automatic all 10 op. The point of the op system is for others to leave their opinion, and as a sideline to select and highlight the best videos. If someone wants to get good ratings then they need to make a video that's good in that catagory. If someone gets low ratings, on any catagory, perhaps they need to think about why they got them and do better next time. I see no reason to sugarcoat the op system just because someone who slapped Rinoa dancing with Squall on the timeline to some sappy ass song might get upset when it's pointed out just how many damned times it's been done before.

You think Da Vinci painted the Mona Lisa just because he wanted to express himself?

Not to be pedantic but Da Vinci probably painted it to get some cash. It was a piece done on consignment after all. If you're looking for people making art for the ego trip then deviantart will provide much better examples.

I don't know how often you search through the opinion exchange forum

Currently, never. I used to be somewhat active in free ops though and I was exactly what you described. You know why? Because 99% of the videos with the most used anime are the exact same thing with very minor changes. As Madbunny indicated, go pick 20 DBZ vids totally at random. Watch them all in a row and try to think up something intelligent to say in an op about them beyond 'oh dear god, not another one'.

Just be a little less of a jackass at the same time, especially those of you who are attacking _Ice-Angel_ just because of what she thinks, because that's just disgraceful conduct, especially coming from such respected people in the AMV community.

Just to note, this isn't me being a jackass. This is me being honest. If I were being a jackass I would have brought up maggot infested corpses, strange and sick sexual fetishes, or various body extretions by now. And believe me, the temptation was strong when I realized exactly how many FF videos people posting were responsable for but I resisted. Regardless of that, somehow I really REALLY doubt the list of 'respected people in the AMV community' has my name anywhere on it. If it does you people need to find some better influences to look up to.

[Prodigi]

Not to be pedantic but Da Vinci probably painted it to get some cash. It was a piece done on consignment after all.

actually Da Vinci didn't paint it for some cash as he actually carried the Mona Lisa around with him for years before finally parting ways with it.

If I were being a jackass I would have brought up maggot infested corpses, strange and sick sexual fetishes, or various body extretions by now

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA *wipes tear from eye*

[trythil]

Trythil - i think _Ice-Angel_ has a very good point. Ratings are important to probably 98% of the AMV population.

Even if it is, so what? Why should I have to pander to the number-grubbing majority?

especially those of you who are attacking _Ice-Angel_ just because of what she thinks, because that's just disgraceful conduct, especially coming from such respected people in the AMV community.

I don't think the opinion system should only be used to leave nice, encouraging, Mister-Rogers'-Neighborhood-warm-fuzzy comments. Likewise, I don't see a problem in not sugarcoating my opinion on living for numbers when you don't have to.

It seems like what you really want is an abolition of the opinion system on a site-wide scale. Well, maybe we can keep the overall score. That's the only one that I've found to actually contain even an iota of truth.

By the way, I hope you aren't including me in the "respected people" set. If you are, you'd better fix that.

[downwithpants]

Name me a catagory that isn't true on...

that's the main reason why i think score averages shouldn't be shown on vid pages. however, when score averages equate to download popularity, it forces creators who care about sharing their vids to pump up each rated category. in the case of improving audio, video, and effort, these usually don't come at a cost to the artistic preferences of the creator. the motivation to boost synch and review could come at a cost to the artistic preferences of the creator, and i suppose the same complaint [of this thread] could be made about these two categories.

again, this isn't about sugar-coating the originality score. it's about how the rating system provides a motivation to be original, which may be costly to the artistic intents of the creator. this motivation is based on the notion that opinion scores equate to download popularity, and although one could argue that download popularity can be ignored, it's hard to do so when sharing videos is one's primary reasons for making them.

[BasharOfTheAges]

The entire point of the rating system is NOT to provide an ego boost. If that was the reason I'm sure it could be arranged for every uploader to recieve a little gold star, an automated 'Great job!' message, and an automatic all 10 op.

It's all about the fame. Fame is in quite short supply here on the internet. It being a serious place and all...

[Otohiko]

Fame is in quite short supply here on the internet.

Not IRL though

[downwithpants]

The entire point of the rating system is NOT to provide an ego boost. If that was the reason I'm sure it could be arranged for every uploader to recieve a little gold star, an automated 'Great job!' message, and an automatic all 10 op.

It's all about the fame. Fame is in quite short supply here on the internet. It being a serious place and all...

then the inevitable question is asked: why do you upload your videos here if you're not interested in other people downloading them? if you're truly doing this for yourself, spare the org some bandwidth and don't upload your videos.

[godix]

then the inevitable question is asked: why do you upload your videos here if you're not interested in other people downloading them?

Because it'd be really stupid to leave a message in the announcement forum that went 'Hey, I just finished an AMV of Beck set to the theme song of Fame. I think it's the best work I've done yet. I'm not going bother uploading it though.'