OMG the Esca dub = tEh ubar!

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 4:25 pm

Otohiko wrote:I think I already mentioned something about this before.

TBH, of all the dubs that I've seen - Escaflowne may be the only one I don't really hate. (Although I have been spared from any dubs that came out in the last 2 years)

Reason being, unlike most dubs out there, this one actually features acting. Which, in face of the general trends today, is quite remarkable - just look at the Matrix and see the wonders of today's culture of non-acting.

Wow, I thought it was fairly well-accepted that it was one of the worst...maybe I was talking to a very biased group (although it was a pretty big subset of data).

Acting? IMO I thought it was over-acting. I am mainly talking about Vaughn and Hitomi. Both were just...ugh...everything was so overly-dramatic. Sucks they were the two main character. Ugh.

Don't even get me started on Dilandau sounding like a 5 year old boy. I might also add that Dilandau's voice on the Japanese track was done marvelously given the...well...n/m that's spoilers.

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 6:10 pm

I do know that some Escaflowne fans that found the dub quite decent, and then again - I got lotsa respect and admiration for the show, after all it is my favorite fantasy-themed series.

I suppose that depends on how you look at it. I got into Escaflowne by first seeing the dub. I got two of my friends, who have been very skeptical about anime before, hooked on anime via the dub, and they became a real pair of Esca geeks as a result.

I suppose if I/them saw it subbed first, things might have been different. But if you take the comparison out of the equation, the dub did tell a story, represented a lot of the thing that the series was about (even despite the cuts) and, to people with no prior contact with the show - good enough to convert them and make them find out more about the show. I'm not saying the dub is great, but it does give people a fraction of what the show is about... and a convincing enough fraction.

Still, I can easily understand why you wouldn't want to go back to the dub after seeing the original.

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 6:16 pm

Otohiko wrote:I suppose that depends on how you look at it. I got into Escaflowne by first seeing the dub. I got two of my friends, who have been very skeptical about anime before, hooked on anime via the dub, and they became a real pair of Esca geeks as a result.

I suppose if I/them saw it subbed first, things might have been different. But if you take the comparison out of the equation, the dub did tell a story, represented a lot of the thing that the series was about (even despite the cuts) and, to people with no prior contact with the show - good enough to convert them and make them find out more about the show. I'm not saying the dub is great, but it does give people a fraction of what the show is about... and a convincing enough fraction.

Still, I can easily understand why you wouldn't want to go back to the dub after seeing the original.

:nods:

Yeah that makes sense. I mean I'm not saying it detracts to the point where it's entirely different show and can easiliy see it being enjoyable still. I mean the story, characters, music and animation are still great. As you said, I still think you lose some "good stuff" in losing such great voice-acting, but not to the point of it changing the show and enjoyability based on your previous experiences and how much you can tolerate dubs.

So for the most part I agree

Propyro · Post by **Propyro** » Mon Jul 14, 2003 6:59 pm

dwchang wrote: Don't even get me started on Dilandau sounding like a 5 year old boy. I might also add that Dilandau's voice on the Japanese track was done marvelously given the...well...n/m that's spoilers.

i usualy feel like laughing when ever i hear him bitching about how much he hates vaughn or how he bitches about his face ... well in the dub at least ...

AtomicWeezleman · Post by **AtomicWeezleman** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 4:45 pm

dwchang wrote: Atomic, I sure hope you're watching it subtitled . I think it adds to it well..being the original and all

You know full damn well im watching it subbed.............

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 4:56 pm

AtomicWeezleman wrote:
dwchang wrote: Atomic, I sure hope you're watching it subtitled . I think it adds to it well..being the original and all
You know full damn well im watching it subbed.............

Good! You may continue to live

....btw what do you think so far?

AtomicWeezleman · Post by **AtomicWeezleman** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 5:12 pm

dwchang wrote:
AtomicWeezleman wrote:
dwchang wrote: Atomic, I sure hope you're watching it subtitled . I think it adds to it well..being the original and all
You know full damn well im watching it subbed.............
Good! You may continue to live ....btw what do you think so far?

Its great! Thanks for pushing me to get it............... i want the last two disks!!!! must have!!!!!!!!!

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 5:15 pm

AtomicWeezleman wrote:
Its great! Thanks for pushing me to get it............... i want the last two disks!!!! must have!!!!!!!!!

Damn right it is

Hopefully by the end you will understand my videos more

AtomicWeezleman · Post by **AtomicWeezleman** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 5:21 pm

dwchang wrote:
AtomicWeezleman wrote:
Its great! Thanks for pushing me to get it............... i want the last two disks!!!! must have!!!!!!!!!
Damn right it is

Hopefully by the end you will understand my videos more

What videos????????

SSJVegita0609 · Post by **SSJVegita0609** » Tue Jul 15, 2003 5:39 pm

AH-HA! Time for my revenge! (I too will try to stray from starting the sub/dub wars though)

dwchang wrote: I think you have a very big misconception about the word "DUBBING." By it's very definition a dub can in no way be superior to the ORIGINAL.

You are incorrect sir, because we're speaking of different definitions of better you see. Your definition captures its technical aspects whereas my definition is opinionated. Just because it's not THE ORIGINAL doesn't mean that someone can't LIKE it better and thus THINK it is better.

dwchang wrote: See that word? Original. It is impossible for something that is being dubbed OVER to be superior to what was originally recorded and the original INTENT of the creator.

Are you saying that the creator of Escaflowne (The writer of the manga) single handedly hand picked all of the Voice actors for the roles and personally made sure that each one was the best possible fit for the part IN THE WORLD? I'm afraid that's not how it works. Chances are the company who animated the show completely bought out the rights and thusly, were the ones who picked everything. Sure, they may have gained the approval of the creator, but I doubt he/she really had a say in many of the matters.

dwchang wrote: At the same time, this'll come across as pretty mean, but who are you to say what Allen should and shouldn't sound like? Did you create the show? Did you come up with the character? I think the only one capable of making such a decision is the creator since they conceptualized the entire show and characters.

No offense taken good sir, don't worry. Anyways, I am just a fan, this is true. However, at the same time being a fan I'm rather observant and extremely alert to anything that doesn't make sense or seems unrealistic, thus I'm entitled to voice my opinion on the matter. Sure I can't change anything within the show, but if I like something better than something else, then who are you to tell me that liking that thing is wrong? (please don't take offense to that)

dwchang wrote: They obviously "heard" something when making the character and thus their qualifications. BTW that's the reason I fundamentally hate dubbing (in ANY other language be it Japanese -> English, English -> Spanish, etc.).

Once again, who are "they"? "They" aren't exactly the actual creators, so what makes them any different from those who directed and produced the dub? I'm 85% sure Esca started out as a manga, and thus those people are simply working the transition from Manga to anime. "They" aren't the original creators. According to your logic, everyone must think the manga is better than the anime because, naturally, the manga came first and was the ORIGINAL story. Now, this is not the case, and thus people can like a different version of the same story better than the original.

dwchang wrote: The creator chose Allen's voice to be gentle to illustrate his more gentle traits...the things that Hitomi as well as all the other females admire.

Don't wanna sound mean, but do you know the creator? Are you sure about this? Plus like I've said before, the creator probably was not the one responsible for choosing Allen's Japanese VA.

dwchang wrote: I hope this makes sense. I don't at all claim that people MUST watch it this way. It's live and let live, but at the same time it does irk me when people claim something being better than what the own creator chooses. In this case, it happened to be gentle

I too am not trying to bash anyone for watching something the way they like it. I generally perfer subs to dubs myself, I just happen to think dubbing companies get bashed too often. Anyways, I hope I'm not launching the whole war thing again, I'm simply defending my statement that the English VAs weren't all THAT bad.