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Post by dwchang » Fri Mar 14, 2003 5:29 pm

Meksikanfude wrote:I usually always watch sub, unless there is no choice. Two animes though, I thought the sub was better than the original, Cowboy Bebop and Hellsing. You just gotta love them english accents. :P
But regardless of which sounds better, I prefer the original. No matter how "bad" it sounds, it is the original creator's "vision" ne? Regardless, I agree that Bebop is done very well and quite accurate to the original. It is one of the few I can stand...
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Post by Alucard_FoN » Fri Mar 14, 2003 5:33 pm

dwchang wrote:Not to mention the three alphabets you have to learn (kanji, katakana and hiragana). Don't mind me...just making fun of the japanese for having three alphabets :-P
Seriously. Add in the fact that there are approximatly 50000000000000000000000 kanji characters and you've got quite a lot of learning to deal with. I know all of 2 kanji characters, and one of them is a serious pain to write cause it's so many strokes.

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Post by dwchang » Fri Mar 14, 2003 5:50 pm

I know all of 2 kanji characters, and one of them is a serious pain to write cause it's so many strokes.
I took japanese in HS and I think I know 20 kanji. This of course includes 1 - 10 and 100 haha.
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Post by Propyro » Fri Mar 14, 2003 5:53 pm

so i guess japanese is a much easier language to learn to speak then it is to write... am i correct in assuming that since your talking about the language having 3 alphabet and each alphabet haveing a substantial amount of characters.

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Post by Propyro » Fri Mar 14, 2003 5:55 pm

and agian i only post half an idea ... damn it i hate that.

any ways, just out of curiostiy, how are the 3 alphabet used? is one of them sort of liek a lowercase system? or is it that they jsut have totaly different functions and are used at different times to place emphasis on certain things? I'm not sure because the closest thing i ever knew to a language haveing more then one alphabet is the uppercase and lowercase of our own alphabet.

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Post by Alucard_FoN » Fri Mar 14, 2003 6:15 pm

I'm not sure why they use kanji sometimes instead of hiragana. But I know that katakana is used for foreign words that don't exist in japanese. For instance, computer. The japanese word for computer is based directly off the english word, and is spelled ko-n-pi-u-u-ta or something. Anyway, it would be written in katakana. Whereas a word such as watashi would be written in either hiragana or kanji.

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Post by KLin » Fri Mar 14, 2003 6:41 pm

It depends really, domestic anime companies are starting to get better at choosing voice actors and it's slowly getting to the point that there are some really good dubs that are pretty faithful to the original Japanese. I really like how AD Vision is having Monica Rial do the soft-spoken characters like Hyatt from Excel Saga and Kirika from Noir recently. Whenever AD Vision decides to start dubbing Angelic Layer, I hope to God they cast her as Misaki, or at least Hatoko. Bandai is doing quite good dub work as well recently as the .hack//SIGN voice actors sounded just great. And it's sometimes quite funny/interesting to hear certain Japanese puns and jokes dubbed so that they make sense, yet still retain a semblence of their original meaning and match the lip-movement of the characters. Real good voice actors can improvise phrases that'll fit the bill.

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Post by KLin » Fri Mar 14, 2003 6:47 pm

Kanji is derived directly from Chinese. So those of us who can read Chinese can read Kanji pretty handily although we obviously pronounce the words differently, but the meanings are the same. :) hiragana and katakana are more like 'letters' or a pronunciation alphabet than words. Each hiragana and katakana character represent a monosyllabic sound that includes a vowel save for 'n' Kanji on the other hand can represent a word with several syllables. For example the word "shinobi" would be three characters in hiragana or katakana and would only be one character in Kanji. So, technically Kanji is not an alphabet per se but actual words and phrases.

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Post by Jiima » Fri Mar 14, 2003 9:02 pm

You sound knowledgeable in this. Can you tell me what the language guru's over there have boiled down the basic Kanji to. Last I heard, someone told me it was somewhere at about 2000 common Kanji characters. (That's the word I was looking for. Characters not letters). Something like they were afraid of becoming too much like the Chinese, whose language is ENTIRELY symbolic by word, and they cut it down so that there wasn't quite so much Kanji to use and they could get back to using Hiragana and Katakana.

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Post by Jiima » Fri Mar 14, 2003 9:07 pm

Oh, I almost forgot I was going to comment. Hiragana and Katakana... not that huge from what I've seen. Not as massive as the Kanji at least. I've learned about 35 Hiragana characters and that's about half or maybe a third of its entirety. That's just Hiragana, Katakana is pretty much the same. Same sound, different symbol and use.

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