United Canucks Of Mexico? :O

[Corran]

North American Union is happening. I don't recommend the movie zeitgeist though, as it's full of so much bullshit that I couldn't even force myself to watch the whole thing.

A much better film would be America: Freedom to Fascism. It is not 100% impeccable in its facts either, but from what I have researched, much of the facts and statements presented in this film are accurate.

I just watched that entire video and I must say my stomach is churning with a new-found disgust for the current government...

[Zarxrax]

Wow, this thread couldn't have more perfect timing. A new video interview just came out that all but confirms the North American Union. All the nuts who think its just a conspiracy theory should chew on this for a while.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AasdjfbdTM

Also be sure to watch the video that its posted in response to, which has been around for quite a while.

[Kitsuner]

Well, I guess it'd pretty much solve the illegal immigrant issue...

[CorpseGoddess]

Well, I tend to trust what I read on Snopes...

http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/nau.asp

[Zarxrax]

Well, I tend to trust what I read on Snopes...

http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/nau.asp

The snopes article is based on several false premises, and in fact, has little to do with the real issue. Snopes says that the North American Union is supposed to be completed by the year 2010, and then goes on to debunk that. I have never heard anyone say that this is all going to be done by the year 2010. All serious debate I have ever heard on this issue acknowledges that it is still many years away from happening.

Snopes has not debunked the North American Union at all, and in fact does not even address any of the real issues at hand. It has simply debunked some cock-eyed interpretation of it that some 12 year old kid likely sent in to the site.

I'm sure as hell going to put a lot more weight on what one of the guys directly involved with the thing tells me, than on what snopes tells me.

[Kitsuner]

Well, I tend to trust what I read on Snopes...

http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/nau.asp

[Tsunami Jones]

It is not 100% impeccable in its facts either, but from what I have researched, much of the facts and statements presented in this film are accurate.

I didn't really get much past the part on income tax for a variety of reasons (unless that's what the whole thing is) . . . but counter-evidence? There's actually a HUGE amount of innacuracy, fabrication, and half-truths in the film.

http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/ ... omeTax.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America:_F ... to_Fascism

[Zarxrax]

It is not 100% impeccable in its facts either, but from what I have researched, much of the facts and statements presented in this film are accurate.

I didn't really get much past the part on income tax for a variety of reasons (unless that's what the whole thing is) . . . but counter-evidence? There's actually a HUGE amount of innacuracy, fabrication, and half-truths in the film.

http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/ ... omeTax.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America:_F ... to_Fascism

Well I'm not sure I would go THAT far. Yes, maybe some parts can be certified as false or misleading, however many opposing arguments are not necessarily "fact", they are just opposing arguments. The organization "we the people" is STILL trying to just get the government to answer their damn questions, and they have been lied to repeatedly that it would happen for 9 years now.
But anyways, I don't mean to assert that the *conclusions* that the film arrives at are all true (nor do I conclude that they are false), but it does raise many important questions and facts that are very relevant.

Regardless of any of that though, the argument at hand is in regards to the North American Union. It is mentioned in the film, albeit not a large chunk is dedicated to explaining it. The fact of the matter is, the issue of the North American Union isn't tied to some documentary film that may or may not be accurate. There are numerous PRIMARY SOURCES confirming what is going on. There are then countless observations that can be made that all point to a coming North American Union. Now, normally, taking observations and jumping to a conclusion about them is the definition of a conspiracy theory. When you have primary sources confirming something though, you are no longer just jumping to conclusions.

The former president of Mexico says CLEARLY, without any need for twisting his words, that we are working towards this goal, and he wants very much to see it happen. There are government sites that talk about plans for this. There are bills that have been sent before congress specifically related to this. This has been reported on in major media outlets such as CNN.
And yet the people in charge try to say that nothings going on, we are all just a bunch of kooks. They say, "nothing like that is happening, we are just doing this" and then they go on to say they are doing exactly what everyone is afraid of, only they say it in really nice words that makes it sound good.

Hell, the drivers license in my wallet has a North American Union hologram on the back of it! (North Carolina, first state the logo has appeared on).

[Tsunami Jones]

Regardless of any of that though, the argument at hand is in regards to the North American Union.

Fair enough. I didn't get that far in the film, and in regards to it, have little to say.

[badmartialarts]

Even if this is happening, I'm still trying to figure out what's wrong with it....I've always been a one-world government groknard even since watching Star Trek as a kid.

Let there be a new ordering of the ages, people. Novus ordo saeclorum.