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Post by Scintilla » Thu Jul 19, 2007 2:13 pm

CrackTheSky wrote:<b>Inverse telecining</b> automatically converts the video (assuming you're using NTSC) to 23.97<b>6</b> fps.
Fixed. Deinterlacing doesn't do jack to the frame rate.
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Re: ^_^

Post by Kero777 » Thu Jul 19, 2007 7:21 pm

CrackTheSky wrote:Try changing the frame rate of your clips BEFORE you start editing.
I apologize if I sound stupid asking this, but I'm very confused: If I change the frame rate of my footage before I edit, it either speeds the clips up or slows them down. Well, that definitely makes sense, but how do I edit with it? I'm not really sure how to edit with the footage if it's slower or faster because a character could be running in slow motion, for example. I could speed the clip up, but it wouldn't be accurate (or would take a very long time to get that way), the audio would be very mis-matched with the video or sped up/slowed down as well and wouldn't that just be changing the frame rate again? *Scratches head* I did a lot of experimenting with this in the past couple of days and it doesn't seem to make sense.

Taifunbrowser was very kind and explained a little of this to me before, but I wasn't sure what s/he meant:
Taifunbrowser wrote:the trick is to follow the guides on this site for preparing your footage, then frameserve with vfapi to vegas.
If someone could please try to help me out with this, I'd be very grateful. :D Hehe, I really wish I could get the hang of all this. You're all so smart! *Nods head*

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Re: ^_^

Post by BasharOfTheAges » Thu Jul 19, 2007 7:44 pm

Kero777 wrote:
CrackTheSky wrote:Try changing the frame rate of your clips BEFORE you start editing.
I apologize if I sound stupid asking this, but I'm very confused: If I change the frame rate of my footage before I edit, it either speeds the clips up or slows them down. Well, that definitely makes sense, but how do I edit with it? I'm not really sure how to edit with the footage if it's slower or faster because a character could be running in slow motion, for example. I could speed the clip up, but it wouldn't be accurate (or would take a very long time to get that way), the audio would be very mis-matched with the video or sped up/slowed down as well and wouldn't that just be changing the frame rate again? *Scratches head* I did a lot of experimenting with this in the past couple of days and it doesn't seem to make sense.
Ideally you change the fps to what you want to export as before you edit. I don't see where any problems would arise with the speed of the clips within the finished project - you can speed up and slow down clips in your editing program whenever you want and that has nothing to do with the fps of your finished video or the project itself. Changing the speed of clips (again, not the same thing as the fps) within your NLE to fit the audio is done all the time.
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Re: ^_^

Post by Scintilla » Thu Jul 19, 2007 7:46 pm

Kero777 wrote:
CrackTheSky wrote:Try changing the frame rate of your clips BEFORE you start editing.
I apologize if I sound stupid asking this, but I'm very confused: If I change the frame rate of my footage before I edit, it either speeds the clips up or slows them down.
Not if you're inverse telecining. What IVTC does is to restore the original progressive frames (many series were originally animated at 24 fps) and remove the duplicates. You end up with fewer frames than before, but whatever's going on in the video will still be happening at the same speed.

More on that <a href="http://www.animemusicvideos.org/guides/ ... m">here</a>.
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Re: ^_^

Post by Kero777 » Fri Jul 20, 2007 4:35 pm

Scintilla wrote:
Kero777 wrote:
CrackTheSky wrote:Try changing the frame rate of your clips BEFORE you start editing.
I apologize if I sound stupid asking this, but I'm very confused: If I change the frame rate of my footage before I edit, it either speeds the clips up or slows them down.
Not if you're inverse telecining. What IVTC does is to restore the original progressive frames (many series were originally animated at 24 fps) and remove the duplicates. You end up with fewer frames than before, but whatever's going on in the video will still be happening at the same speed.

More on that <a href="http://www.animemusicvideos.org/guides/ ... m">here</a>.
Thanks, BasharOfTheAges and Scintilla. :)

Inverse telecining seems like the way to go (much better than slowing the clips down before editing and then trying to match up their original speed :P). I need to look up how to do this more. It seems complicated, but highly worth it when it comes to visual quality. Those comparison pictures... wow.

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