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Re: Original Ideas

Post by BasharOfTheAges » Fri May 11, 2007 1:55 pm

Keeper of Hellfire wrote:And if you read that op about the FLCL vid carefully - it doesn't say that the fact that this combo was used before makes the AMV unoriginal - it says it is unoriginal at all, is like dozens (or hundreds?) of other FLCL-vids, and the fact that even the song was used for FLCL before is the crown of the missing originality.
QFT. Originality has nothing to do with the footage or audio choice and everything to do with the story you're telling and how you choose to tell it - it even explicitly says that in the op guidelines... some people are retarded though, I'll give you that.
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Post by meleechampion » Fri May 11, 2007 2:22 pm

You can't say it has NOTHING to do with the originality of the video. After all, song/anime choice is something that the editor has control over. Used well, they CAN turn an "overdone" idea into success, used poorly (like the FLCL video in question) and you get something that has a "been there, done that" feeling.

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Post by BasharOfTheAges » Fri May 11, 2007 2:30 pm

hubuh? :shock: I swear that used to be 180 degrees the other way. It really isn't the case. Originality is of concept - not of source... "Have I seen this video before?" not "have I seen this series or song in videos before?"
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Post by Cornwiggle » Fri May 11, 2007 2:37 pm

BasharOfTheAges wrote:hubuh? :shock: I swear that used to be 180 degrees the other way. It really isn't the case. Originality is of concept - not of source... "Have I seen this video before?" not "have I seen this series or song in videos before?"
I think everyone rates originality different.

Some people will look at the anime/song combo.

Others will look at HOW good you actually accomplished what you were trying to.

Some others will compare your song with more popular vids that used the same songs, and immediately lower you for trying to use the same song, or even same artist. Avenue Q is a good example.

I don't think there is a definitive way to rate originality...

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Post by Hiro The Dragon King » Fri May 11, 2007 2:42 pm

I agree with your Cornwiggle, but the point of the opinions is to rate the video itself, and to add some constructive criticism. I went to the Op forum cuz I wanted some opinions on wut I could have done better. Some criticism for another video I might do. "Oh yeah, and try to find some source material that hasn't been done to death. >_<" isn't very constructive or helpful in any way.

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Post by godix » Fri May 11, 2007 3:00 pm

There's something mildly ironic in the fact the topic of originality is quickly heading into deceased equine mauling territory.
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Post by JaddziaDax » Fri May 11, 2007 3:05 pm

I make unorignal videos yet some people seem to still like them O: but i also state that i know that a sakura/syoran tribute is unoriginal but ima do it anyways...

just because youre unoriginal that doesnt mean your videos are unentertaining as well, you can take an unoriginal idea and make it entertaining... you just gotta work at it O:

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Post by Bauzi » Fri May 11, 2007 3:18 pm

Hiro The Dragon King wrote:I agree with your Cornwiggle, but the point of the opinions is to rate the video itself, and to add some constructive criticism. I went to the Op forum cuz I wanted some opinions on wut I could have done better. Some criticism for another video I might do. "Oh yeah, and try to find some source material that hasn't been done to death. >_<" isn't very constructive or helpful in any way.
As said: In my eyes there is no way to say it constructive. It is as it is. Concentrate more on the other stuff in the opinions that could be constructive like your editing or something different.
Also keep a look with what people you do an exchange. It can be that people with an higher usefullness (stands in every profile) could give you more constructive stuff.
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Post by Keeper of Hellfire » Fri May 11, 2007 3:26 pm

Hiro The Dragon King wrote:"Oh yeah, and try to find some source material that hasn't been done to death. >_<" isn't very constructive or helpful in any way.
Why not? At least it is constructive: It points to your problem - your source is overdone, and it offers a solution - try to find other sources. If it's helpful depends solely on you.

And overdone source doesn't necessary mean that the anime was used too much, probably it refers to the scene selection. Lets take a look at my favourite example for that question: With DBZ as source - if you're the 100th with an AMV about the fight Goku/Vegeta it's not original at all, no matter if the song wasn't used for an AMV at all (except there's an artistic concept behind it that never was done before). But if you'd make a vid showing Goku and Vegeta as a gay couple, it would have a high degree of originality, no matter how often the combo DBZ/that song was done before.

And you should be aware of another thing - if you decide to use overused animes or songs, you have to expect the people to be biased. That's human nature.

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Post by Bauzi » Fri May 11, 2007 3:28 pm

I think this is a good example for what KoH said there:
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