Anime Endings (Spoilers)

UncleMilo · Post by **UncleMilo** » Mon May 12, 2003 3:35 am

It was explained to me that Japanese story-telling ends when "there is no more point in telling the story."

Therefore... once a point is reached where it is clear what happens next, the "happens next" is not told.

Western audiences often want a "The End" and therefore sometimes find anime storylines to be unsatisfying.

Now... since anime has become more popular in the West... and because Western culture has inspired many in Japan more and more storys have endings that have a more "Western" feel.

-Uncle Milo

Propyro · Post by **Propyro** » Mon May 12, 2003 6:25 am

pyro_256 wrote:endings suck for the sole reason that they're endings. it pisses me off when i finish anything like a book or a series. it's over FOREVER. just makes me sad when good things come to an end

i usualy feel the same way, but at the same time you have to be careful of what DBZ dose with milking the living shit out of a product. In a good story i'm usualy sad to see teh series end ie,Love Hina and FLCL. When those series ended i was kind of upset that it was over, exspecialy love ina because it was longer and you got to learn more about the characters and sympathyze with their situations like they were people you really knew.

But as for perfect endings, it won't happen, i don't think it;s possible to make an ending that every one will love. Mostly because were all very different thinkers. Our minds operate totaly differently, and our perceptions of events varries greatly. You may see something in an ending that i totaly missed and vice versa. Now this post is being pressed for time becuas i have to go catch a bus in about .. 3 minuites so bye

Daio Kaji · Post by **Daio Kaji** » Mon May 12, 2003 7:45 am

earthcurrent wrote:DBZ is called milking the product until you can't squeeze anything more out of it, and all your left with is a rather sickly looking cow.

when they asked (bribed) toriyama to continue dbz after frieza, he should have said, " Bite Me-KaaaMeeeHaaa...!"
but nothing says good morning like a fat sack o' money
(normally i'd say 'tsk tsk' but then i picture the temptation and sympathize) (or empathize, which ever it is, i forget which is the one i need)
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Daio Kaji · Post by **Daio Kaji** » Mon May 12, 2003 7:46 am

/code??? nvm
i felt the end of eva was fine the way it was in the tv series, it didn't need the movie, but it sure was sweet to watch 8)

Ashyukun · Post by **Ashyukun** » Mon May 12, 2003 8:21 am

In a number of cases, it's really impossible to truly end a story. One of the strengths of anime, IMO, is how well the characters are developed in a number of series. Shy of killing everyone off, you can't really end the story because the characters have lives that they'll get on with. And in some cases, it just doesn't fit to wrap things up nice and tidily. Ranma and Urusei Yatsura are two good (if not somewhat older) examples of this... you know that somewhere down the line the main characters will probably get together... but having it actually happen just doesn't seem quite right.

I'm generally happy with the endings of series and shows that I've seen. Some are a bit less satisfying than others (the original TV ending to Eva, for example), while others seem to fit quite well (Hime-chan no Ribon, Princess Nine, Azumanga Daioh). I think that only time I'm really disappointed in something is when it isn't really given the chance to end properly... the original BGC would be one example of this. As I understand it, it was originally supposed to be a full 13-episode OAV series but it got cut short (and the story changed thanks to maneuverings by seiyuu). While Scoop Chase may be one of my favorite of the episodes (Nene being my favorite character), it just wasn't a satisfying ending to it... and Crash just seemed to do a bad job of picking things up and trying to wrap everything up.

Declan_Vee · Post by **Declan_Vee** » Mon May 12, 2003 8:37 am

Definitely Neia_7. Just golden, the perfect way to end a series.
What? The subject has spoilers in it so you expect to spoil it for you? Tough.

Madpierrot · Post by **Madpierrot** » Mon May 12, 2003 11:18 am

I would agree with the thought that manga endings seem to be better then the anime endings with the few manga endings I know about and can compare to the TV show. Ranma's manga ending is a lot better then the TV ending in my opinion and Kenshin's manga ending is way way way better then the TV ending considering the TV show almost doesn't even have a real endings.

I feel that for a lot of shows they could of benefited from just one more episode. My all time favorite anime, cowboy bebop, I feel could of used one more episode either before 26 or 25 that just went a little bit more into spike's past and gave a little bit more info on julia, this wouldn't of been nessecary but I think it would of been nice. I loved the ending they had, but it wasn't perfect. Also any extra Cowboy Bebop is a good thing I think.

Also another show that could of used one more episode I feel is Neon Genesis. They could of thrown in one more episode that would show a lot of what happened in the movie and then they wouldn't of had to mad the movie. I think that Neon Genesis the TV show is as close to a perfect ending as a show has come, but the movie ending wasn't as good as the TV show and I could of done without it.

I also think that if Love Hina had another episode after Love Hina again 3 that would of been a great idea.

I would have to say that I am satisfied with almost all the endings I've seen, but I've seen more endings that make me feel disappointed then happy.

I would have to agree with the people that feel that endings suck, b/c you've invested all of this time into a show and come to truely enjoy the show and then it's all over and you know you won't see anything new with it and well that sucks. I know this is bad to say, but I watched DBZ. That's the first anime I saw and I watched it when I was younger. For me to put all of that damn time into Dragonball Z and then for that piece of shit ending, oh that hurt. I should of stopped watching that show a long time ago like most of you probably did. Thank god I actually found all of this other good anime to enjoy and try and forget about that.

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Mon May 12, 2003 11:52 am

Madpierrot wrote:After seeing the ending of shows like DragonBall Z, Kenshin(show and final OVA), and Ranma I've got a sour taste in my mouth for the way anime endings are done. take?

Well for Rurouni Kenshin, the Final OVA ending is not the real ending and is TOTALLY different from the Manga ending. The manga ending was EXCELLENT and is probably one of my favorites. *IF* you want to end Kenshin in a "nice" sense, stop at the end of the Kyoto Arc. One could end there and be fairly satisfied since he comes back to Tokyo and she says "Welcome Home" and he replies "I'm home" (Tadaima). The first OVA you could obviously watch since it's a flashback and tells you his past, but...basically if you have no intention of reading the manga, just tell yourself the ending of Kyoto was the end..it's a pretty good stopping point. Anyway...suffice to say, the "true" manga ending is good, so it's there

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Madpierrot wrote:Also another show that could of used one more episode I feel is Neon Genesis. They could of thrown in one more episode that would show a lot of what happened in the movie and then they wouldn't of had to mad the movie. I think that Neon Genesis the TV show is as close to a perfect ending as a show has come, but the movie ending wasn't as good as the TV show and I could of done without it.

I found Evangelion's TV ending nearly perfect. It resolved everything internally within Shinji and provided an open-ended ending that made you well...happy (or at least me). As for the Movie Ending, in all honesty it's the same as the TV ending just more...visual and well..goes SLIGHTLY further in that you see Shinji come back as opposed to the TV where you just see his victory and can assume. I do prefer the TV though like you.

As for explanations, if you've read my other posts, I don't think that stuff is really necessary. They say third impact happens and you know everyone is more or less dead (rather in the LCL). I think Anno did that on purpose since the show was never about well..the story and what's going on. Episodes 25/26 is all he really wanted to say and the other episodes just set it all up (the vehicle).

Now for the real post (SPOILERS FOR ESCAFLOWNE and BERSERK):

-I found Escaflowne's Ending well-done. I know not a lot of people will agree since Hitomi leaves Vaughn and goes back to earth, but it makes sense. She has her own life and family on Earth while Vaughn had his responsibilities to rebuild the kingdom. Also (the main reason I like it), it showed that their love was stronger than any conventional romance, in that they didnt' need to see each other for their love to be realized. They could love each other although they were miles apart. I find that more touching than any kiss or embrace (as many fangirls wanted). IIRC the creators felt the same way and were upset at AX when people laughed when Hitomi left (in the movie).

Also all the characters pasts and motivations were finalized...I know many will disagree, but I found there to be no loose ends. Given, for the show as a whole, I do wish they made it longer since the end conflict is pretty fast, but it makes sense given that they were originally going to make 39 episodes and halfway through changed to 26. I imagine that forced them to make the ending a bit rushed.

-Evangelion's

-Kenshin's REAL Manga ending..hell even the TV series ending

-Berserk: For those who have not seen the show..again..AVERT THE EYES!!!!

I liked the ending since well..it's SO open-ended and also SO dark. If one remembers, they could even re-watch Episode 1 which takes place AFTER episode 25. It makes for an even more satisfying ending. I guess since I *know* people are still reading who haven't read, I won't go into details. I'm sure those who have seen it will agree though

. Let's just say they end the show with the main protagonist close to dying and that's it...no resolution.

Anlushac11 · Post by **Anlushac11** » Mon May 12, 2003 2:34 pm

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Im sorry I cant be more neutral but I am a sucker for a happy ending.

I like the way Van Dread, Tenchi Muyo(Toonami version), and Love Hina ended, but jury is still out on Love Hina again as I still havent seen #2 or #3.

I was sad at the way Cowboy Beebop ended but I thought it was a fitting and good ending(And I agree that more Cowboy Beebop is a good thing).

Heck i wish they would do another season of Love Hina. I would love to see more character development for Otohine, Motoko, Shinobu, and Kaolla Su.

Master Shake · Post by **Master Shake** » Mon May 12, 2003 2:43 pm

I really agree with what Madpierrot wrote earlier, Cowboy Bebop could have really used one more episode to develop Julia's character more and also Eva could of also used another episode. It should of been the first half of the movie and they could of squeezed it in around episode 25. That way they could of not made that unnecessary film and it would of made a great ending even better. I think that Trigun and Azumanga Daioh both had really good endings. While some shows would benefit from one extra episode Kenshin would of benefited from 30 fewer episodes.

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