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Re: Top Ten

Post by JudgeHolden » Wed May 26, 2010 12:14 am

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godix wrote:If you spend two months working out a really difficult turd, one of those turds that feels like you're pushing concrete out your ass, the end result is STILL a huge pile of steaming crap.
Yes, but once it's out you will hear the sound of trumpet blasts. People will clap and applaud you. You'll get your gold stars, and a nice pat on the back.
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Re: Top Ten

Post by Vivaldi » Wed May 26, 2010 12:26 am

Oleander wrote:Are the Top 10% videos the current trend in amv creation? I have been a site member for about 7 years and have watched amv's for at least 10 and I have to say the current Top videos are some of the best in regard to technical skill but the worst artistically. I'm not necessarily saying that they are bad videos but I remember when watching an amv would pull at your emotions but now it seems like everyone is just trying to show off with how good they can use their favorite editing program. It has been awhile since I have checked out some new videos and I would like to hear some opinions on this, especially from the old timers.
Frankly I'd suggest this has more to you (and probably some other "old timers" becoming jaded over the years rather than some vast slide in quality.

For instance, saying "but I remember when watching an amv would pull at your emotions" is extremely anecdotal: if I could find a person who felt they were emotionally moved by some amvs in the top 10%, would that not disprove your theory? I believe editing styles have become somewhat faster paced and likely more montage styled, but that doesn't make them worse by any means. You're holding new amvs to a standard that simply never existed: amvs 7 years ago were the same arms race of technical acumen as they are now, 90% of it was tripe and the good stuff was conceptually identical to the quality amvs being produced today.

I don't even think the "Style before substance" idiom is applicable here. Amvs are, like film, a fundamentally visual medium. To castigate those who apply themselves to that side of the process is in my mind a grave mistake, and it misses a large deal of the point. An amv that is visually creative, beauteous, or meaningful is extremely substantive. The so called "substance" people are forever looking for is just a mime of theater and film that should not be considered the paramount concern of an amv, let alone the sole aspect to be judged. A visually stunning amv justifies its existence, but one that offers only an "idea" would be better implemented as a fanfic.

Of course, I'm not talking about those amvs in which the concept directly deals with or affects the visual content, but I believe amvs are flourishing in that regard more than ever.
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Re: Top Ten

Post by Megamom » Wed May 26, 2010 1:42 am

The feedback system is outdated for several years, some of the AMVs that are in the current list (Top 10%) would not have to be there (including my Toxic AMV), currently there are better AMVs now, but the system does not why do justice.

I personally think that had previously best AMVs... cos previously more difficult to do, now we have at our disposal many new editing tools that make the job easier, anyone can make a good AMV (technically) but make an AMV to express something? no! :down:

There are many AMVs that do not express anything, good technically, but without a soul! (Publishers of Youtube) :|
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Re: Top Ten

Post by EvaFan » Wed May 26, 2010 2:05 am

Oleander wrote:I remember when watching an amv would pull at your emotions but now it seems like everyone is just trying to show off with how good they can use their favorite editing program. It has been awhile since I have checked out some new videos and I would like to hear some opinions on this, especially from the old timers.
I actually agree but some people just use FX more then others cause they like external work, that doesn't mean they use them solely to show off (usually beneficial to their concept/theme) so you can't rule everyone into that. Though there has definitely been a decline in AMV's that draw out emotions or just have that xyz factor in them.

Bashar pretty much nailed all of this allready though, there are people who prefer style and people who prefer substance in amvs. Guess I'm a substance editor :uhoh: .

But to add to that most of the people watching amv's are teens or preteens. They are the ones that watch transformers and think its awesome just for its giant robot action and fxwork, they could care less about how the story plays out, makes sense, does more then just amaze you. That's just my opinion though.
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Re: Top Ten

Post by Oleander » Wed May 26, 2010 6:28 pm

Megamom wrote:The feedback system is outdated for several years, some of the AMVs that are in the current list (Top 10%) would not have to be there (including my Toxic AMV), currently there are better AMVs now, but the system does not why do justice.

I personally think that had previously best AMVs... cos previously more difficult to do, now we have at our disposal many new editing tools that make the job easier, anyone can make a good AMV (technically) but make an AMV to express something? no! :down:

There are many AMVs that do not express anything, good technically, but without a soul! (Publishers of Youtube) :|
I didn't have any problems with your video.

Vivaldi wrote:
Oleander wrote:Are the Top 10% videos the current trend in amv creation? I have been a site member for about 7 years and have watched amv's for at least 10 and I have to say the current Top videos are some of the best in regard to technical skill but the worst artistically. I'm not necessarily saying that they are bad videos but I remember when watching an amv would pull at your emotions but now it seems like everyone is just trying to show off with how good they can use their favorite editing program. It has been awhile since I have checked out some new videos and I would like to hear some opinions on this, especially from the old timers.
Frankly I'd suggest this has more to you (and probably some other "old timers" becoming jaded over the years rather than some vast slide in quality.

For instance, saying "but I remember when watching an amv would pull at your emotions" is extremely anecdotal: if I could find a person who felt they were emotionally moved by some amvs in the top 10%, would that not disprove your theory? I believe editing styles have become somewhat faster paced and likely more montage styled, but that doesn't make them worse by any means. You're holding new amvs to a standard that simply never existed: amvs 7 years ago were the same arms race of technical acumen as they are now, 90% of it was tripe and the good stuff was conceptually identical to the quality amvs being produced today.

I don't even think the "Style before substance" idiom is applicable here. Amvs are, like film, a fundamentally visual medium. To castigate those who apply themselves to that side of the process is in my mind a grave mistake, and it misses a large deal of the point. An amv that is visually creative, beauteous, or meaningful is extremely substantive. The so called "substance" people are forever looking for is just a mime of theater and film that should not be considered the paramount concern of an amv, let alone the sole aspect to be judged. A visually stunning amv justifies its existence, but one that offers only an "idea" would be better implemented as a fanfic.

Of course, I'm not talking about those amvs in which the concept directly deals with or affects the visual content, but I believe amvs are flourishing in that regard more than ever.
Well you are entitled to your opinion since I was only expressing mine. However, I don't think you can say that I am wrong if you were not around at that time. I only used the top 10% for a random sampling, which is why i posed the question the forum. Maybe if you were around back then you could understand the way I feel.

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Re: Top Ten

Post by OtakuGray » Sun May 30, 2010 2:06 pm

but now it seems like everyone is just trying to show off with how good they can use their favorite editing program.

Not a single frame in "My Life" is designed for show. It was all for telling the story and transitioning between clips. :|
godix wrote:Like this one amv. It was all like woosh, zoom with effects. And I was all like whoa awesome. Then that guitar thingies popped up and went dun dun DUN dun then those box thingies went zooming by and twirling around and shit. Oh god, then the hexagons popped up and I was like 'I just got a stiffie'. Then there was the circle with those thingies going around and I blew my load.
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Re: Top Ten

Post by Zero Link » Sun May 30, 2010 2:09 pm

The top 10 use to be rigged as fuck the last time I checked (back in 07), wonder if it still is. =\
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