My Opinion on What AMVs Truly Are.

[Sephzilla]

But in reguards to radio, nothings stopping someone from sitting in their car with a recording device and then distributing it out like that. I could make a case against the radio industry saying "by giving people the chance to record and illegally distribute music off of your radio station, your committing a crime"

(like i said, playing devils advocate here)

[Rozard]

(getting a rise out of people is somewhat the objective of this thread, i enjoy a little debate now and then )

You fucking asshole. I wish I could kick your ass right now. This isn't a debate; this is you playing the part of a fucking ignoramus. Though, I would argue it's not an act.

You've succeeded in really pissing me off, something that isn't easy. I'm so fucking angry that someone could be that ignorant and moronic, and complicate that with my roommates coming home from a concert just now, and one of them has a broken ankle. I'm getting out of here now. Some please lock this.

[genestarwind21122]

But in reguards to radio, nothings stopping someone from sitting in their car with a recording device and then distributing it out like that. I could make a case against the radio industry saying "by giving people the chance to record and illegally distribute music off of your radio station, your committing a crime"

(like i said, playing devils advocate here)

No the radio industry has permission from the artist to play there music. I called up a radio station asking them to play a song and they didn't have permission to play it. The radio industry has to buy the permissions to play the songs and like they said before the money comes from advertisment and even special events the station holds.

[dokool]

But in reguards to radio, nothings stopping someone from sitting in their car with a recording device and then distributing it out like that. I could make a case against the radio industry saying "by giving people the chance to record and illegally distribute music off of your radio station, your committing a crime"

(like i said, playing devils advocate here)

Playing a tool is more like it. With radio you can't actively pirate music, for example if you wanted to record a certain song you'd have to record (and record, and record, and record) until the song you wanted was played. Even then, the recording would be so lo-fi that it might not be the most enjoyable thing to listen to.

If you're going to play the devil's advocate, you should be a well-informed devils' advocate.

[Sephzilla]

with the Recording VHS case, Sony had no intention of it being used for mass distribution of movies/shows/etc. Well when you make an AMV you dont intend it to be a mask for simply passing on MP3's do you? Thats were I make my case, its not a literall HERE'S WHAT MAKES THEM THE SAME point im trying to make... its the similar concepts they hold in reguards to their intentions I'm trying to make, someone looking w/out tunnell vision would see that.

As far as cosplaying and selling of merchandise, that has no bearing on the situation and you know it.

Its another method of distribution of an anime source, i know lots of fans sell direct merchandise and make MONEY off of it (something AMVers dont) and get away with it. And many anime creators could get very uptight and have a hissy fit about cosplaying saying "your referencing the character i created, therefore its illegal cuz i didnt give permission for it!"[/quote]

[Sephzilla]

But in reguards to radio, nothings stopping someone from sitting in their car with a recording device and then distributing it out like that. I could make a case against the radio industry saying "by giving people the chance to record and illegally distribute music off of your radio station, your committing a crime"

(like i said, playing devils advocate here)

Playing a tool is more like it. With radio you can't actively pirate music, for example if you wanted to record a certain song you'd have to record (and record, and record, and record) until the song you wanted was played. Even then, the recording would be so lo-fi that it might not be the most enjoyable thing to listen to.

If you're going to play the devil's advocate, you should be a well-informed devils' advocate.

well informed ey? look whos talking. The principle is YOU COULD STILL DISTRIBUTE IT.

[Ratix]

But in reguards to radio, nothings stopping someone from sitting in their car with a recording device and then distributing it out like that. I could make a case against the radio industry saying "by giving people the chance to record and illegally distribute music off of your radio station, your committing a crime"

(like i said, playing devils advocate here)

And like VHS recorders, the argument that it's feasible to use them as pirating devices is moot, because that's not their original intention. You also miss the point again about radio and licenses; radio stations already paid to get permission to play the music, what happens to it when it hits the air waves is out of their influence, and out of their legal responsibility. AMV makers never pay permission to use the video and audio, period. That's why the issue of AMVs are totally divorced from the radio and VCRs.

[genestarwind21122]

Finally, somebody who can make genestarwinds' posts look intelligent by comparison.

Come on give me credit I said that I know that what we are doing is illegal. My argument has been that what we are doing is more help than harm. So why get rid of something that helps you.

Another thing is aren't we the hands that feed the music industry. So isn't the saying "Don't bite the hand that feeds you." Anyways like I said before I know what we are doing is illegal but they had a choice to look the other way if they notice it was doing them more help than harm. The music industry or Windup Record at this time has just did that. So if there is a new band that is coming out and they don't get advertise in your area you may not hear about them for a while or never.

[Sephzilla]

if it is still possible to illegally distribute music directly or indirectly it, under the RIAA's point of view, is illegal.

You dont directly distribute music (technically) via an AMV, youd have to go record it separately with another program to create the actuall MP3 to distribute because anyone with common sense knows that not all people's computers can run the video file itself at full speed therefore music would suffer as well, not to mention codecs...

trust me dokool, i understand were you're coming from about everything in this. I'm just basically explaining what the point of view is from a lot of other average joes out there.

[Ratix]

well informed ey? look whos talking. The principle is YOU COULD STILL DISTRIBUTE IT.

The principle isn't what matters. It's the law. And the law says, radio stations get permission to put the music out in the public domain, we do not.